1 00:00:00,042 --> 00:00:03,292 Our next talk up is UFO's and U.S. 2 00:00:03,292 --> 00:00:05,417 Government, so let's give him a big hand. 3 00:00:10,292 --> 00:00:14,751 RICHARD THIEME: Okay. 4 00:00:14,999 --> 00:00:17,667 18 years of DEF CON. 5 00:00:17,667 --> 00:00:19,375 It is a long time. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,209 And you are suppose to do the politician thing like oh, hi, Mark. 7 00:00:26,584 --> 00:00:28,375 No babies here. 8 00:00:28,375 --> 00:00:29,501 They're DEF CON kids. 9 00:00:29,751 --> 00:00:33,709 This talk is going to be tweaked for the DEF CON context 10 00:00:33,709 --> 00:00:37,834 because I want it to be not only what it is. 11 00:00:37,834 --> 00:00:40,709 And I am completely out of the closet now 12 00:00:40,709 --> 00:00:43,959 on the subject of Ufology. 13 00:00:44,250 --> 00:00:47,083 You had to be careful along the way. 14 00:00:47,584 --> 00:00:51,999 There was once a reporter columnist for the "Washington Post" who called 15 00:00:51,999 --> 00:00:56,751 me up and said, what are the companies you have worked for? 16 00:00:56,751 --> 00:00:57,999 I love reading your stuff. 17 00:00:57,999 --> 00:00:59,834 I told him some of the bigger names. 18 00:00:59,834 --> 00:01:01,125 You know, the ones you float. 19 00:01:01,125 --> 00:01:03,292 Then the column appeared and it was really kind 20 00:01:03,292 --> 00:01:06,792 of about how crazy can you be before companies like this 21 00:01:06,792 --> 00:01:08,999 will stop hiring you. 22 00:01:09,417 --> 00:01:13,417 (Laughter) This could have a powerful impact on your career 23 00:01:13,417 --> 00:01:19,334 and your life when all you have is your word and your reputation. 24 00:01:19,834 --> 00:01:22,792 So I met him in Washington, we had lunch. 25 00:01:22,999 --> 00:01:25,999 And we discussed the implications of that. 26 00:01:26,083 --> 00:01:30,125 He had gone over the line a little bit by misinterpreting something I wrote 27 00:01:30,125 --> 00:01:33,959 about Ufology and about a friend at NSA who I quoted directly 28 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,501 without approving what he said is accurate. 29 00:01:37,501 --> 00:01:38,999 He said, they're here. 30 00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:40,999 They're here. 31 00:01:40,999 --> 00:01:44,876 Now our task, he said, is to figure out how they got here. 32 00:01:44,876 --> 00:01:46,375 And then he starts speculating. 33 00:01:46,375 --> 00:01:48,083 And I said these are speculations. 34 00:01:48,083 --> 00:01:51,375 And that's what was reported as if I had said it was fact. 35 00:01:51,876 --> 00:01:53,083 We don't know. 36 00:01:53,083 --> 00:01:54,999 We don't even know what "they" means. 37 00:01:54,999 --> 00:01:55,501 And this book, UFO's 38 00:01:55,501 --> 00:02:00,167 and Government: A Historical Inquiry, is not primarily about aliens 39 00:02:00,167 --> 00:02:05,584 or crop circles or abductions or any of the craziness that you have blended, 40 00:02:05,584 --> 00:02:09,999 truth, half truth and flat out lies on cable TV. 41 00:02:09,999 --> 00:02:14,751 And the whole UFO domain of myth and mythology. 42 00:02:15,083 --> 00:02:18,083 What it's about primarily is the second word government. 43 00:02:18,584 --> 00:02:20,876 It's about how the government responded 44 00:02:20,876 --> 00:02:23,999 to a phenomena which compelled them to respond 45 00:02:23,999 --> 00:02:28,626 by its intellectable manifestation in their faces and the reports 46 00:02:28,626 --> 00:02:32,292 from credible people beginning in World War II, which 47 00:02:32,292 --> 00:02:35,999 is when we kind of mark the modern era. 48 00:02:35,999 --> 00:02:38,459 Because there had been reports many years prior to that and 49 00:02:38,459 --> 00:02:42,083 in the last century that sound suspiciously like UFO reports did 50 00:02:42,083 --> 00:02:45,999 in the middle of the Twentieth Century and forward. 51 00:02:45,999 --> 00:02:50,792 But we could no longer ignore them because the military imperative 52 00:02:50,792 --> 00:02:53,959 and I was trying to show in an brief way 53 00:02:53,959 --> 00:02:58,999 the national security concerns that the phenomena raised for them 54 00:02:58,999 --> 00:03:03,250 after World War II when the national security state was 55 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:06,083 in fact just beginning. 56 00:03:06,083 --> 00:03:09,834 The OSS migrating into the CIA and many other instantiations and 57 00:03:09,834 --> 00:03:12,459 the kind of world in which we live, which 58 00:03:12,459 --> 00:03:16,083 is now get some publicity because of the Snowden affair, 59 00:03:16,083 --> 00:03:20,999 as we call it, is the world that was really beginning then. 60 00:03:20,999 --> 00:03:24,083 And how the government responded to the phenomena set policies, 61 00:03:24,083 --> 00:03:29,250 deliberated, argued, competed within its many different parts. 62 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:31,083 Because there's no one government. 63 00:03:31,083 --> 00:03:34,125 There was CIA and there was Navy and there was Airforce and there was 64 00:03:34,125 --> 00:03:37,334 the Executive Branch and the White House, and all kinds 65 00:03:37,334 --> 00:03:41,876 of competing points of views trying to deal with this thing which challenged 66 00:03:41,876 --> 00:03:46,876 people in a complex and puzzling way and above all would not go away. 67 00:03:46,876 --> 00:03:48,375 So they had to respond. 68 00:03:48,375 --> 00:03:50,667 And the way they would choose to respond, you 69 00:03:50,667 --> 00:03:55,417 will see even though I could only hit the highlights because our book 70 00:03:55,417 --> 00:04:00,083 is 600 pages and it has nearly 1,000 citations in it. 71 00:04:00,083 --> 00:04:02,083 It is the only book on the subject recommended 72 00:04:02,083 --> 00:04:06,834 by the journal CHOICE which does that for all academic and university libraries 73 00:04:06,834 --> 00:04:10,167 because it is an exception to the dreary field which is not 74 00:04:10,167 --> 00:04:13,083 as painstaking, as rigorous, as academically solid 75 00:04:13,083 --> 00:04:17,501 as this team effort was, which took five years to create. 76 00:04:17,501 --> 00:04:19,542 I'll say a little bit more about that. 77 00:04:19,584 --> 00:04:23,999 You will see what was said about the phenomena was very similar 78 00:04:23,999 --> 00:04:27,667 to what Clapper said to congress a few weeks ago 79 00:04:27,667 --> 00:04:32,125 under questioning when asked if we vacuumed up or collected 80 00:04:32,125 --> 00:04:36,459 the communications of the American people. 81 00:04:36,542 --> 00:04:38,334 And he said, no. 82 00:04:38,334 --> 00:04:43,292 And, when he was accused of lying, he did not admit that he had lied. 83 00:04:43,292 --> 00:04:45,667 He said that he had told the least untruthful thing 84 00:04:45,667 --> 00:04:48,083 he could say in public. 85 00:04:49,999 --> 00:04:52,999 (Laughter) That's what happens to the weasel words 86 00:04:52,999 --> 00:04:56,083 of the English language as they are used and misused 87 00:04:56,083 --> 00:05:00,501 and intentionally used for deception and disinformation. 88 00:05:00,501 --> 00:05:01,501 The fact is he lied. 89 00:05:01,834 --> 00:05:04,751 By normal human standards, those of us who live out here, 90 00:05:04,751 --> 00:05:08,501 we outsiders out here some of you are insiders so you know more 91 00:05:08,501 --> 00:05:11,792 intimately what I mean, but you can't say that you do, 92 00:05:11,792 --> 00:05:15,083 so you will act like outsiders out here for the purposes 93 00:05:15,083 --> 00:05:17,250 of this talk, right? 94 00:05:17,626 --> 00:05:20,250 So let's get to it. 95 00:05:20,250 --> 00:05:21,999 First of all, I want to acknowledge too that DEF CON has 96 00:05:21,999 --> 00:05:25,584 shifted in the 18 years I've been coming and speaking here. 97 00:05:25,834 --> 00:05:28,417 There were a few hundred the first time. 98 00:05:28,417 --> 00:05:32,083 There are, I don't know 14, 15,000 probably this time. 99 00:05:32,083 --> 00:05:33,918 But what I noticed I asked the other packed room: How many are 100 00:05:33,918 --> 00:05:35,959 here for the first time? 101 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:37,626 An awful lot of hands went up. 102 00:05:37,626 --> 00:05:40,375 How many here more than five years? 103 00:05:40,751 --> 00:05:41,999 Not very many. 104 00:05:41,999 --> 00:05:46,167 That means the context that I take for granted because I am a silverback. 105 00:05:46,167 --> 00:05:47,626 I can't hide that either. 106 00:05:47,792 --> 00:05:50,209 I'm out of the closet as a deranged old man wandering 107 00:05:50,209 --> 00:05:53,083 around the CON as somebody tweeted just two years 108 00:05:53,083 --> 00:05:55,667 ago during one of my talks. 109 00:05:58,292 --> 00:06:01,667 (Laughter) But he did add, nevertheless, he's still belting 110 00:06:01,667 --> 00:06:04,083 out some pretty heavy ideas. 111 00:06:04,083 --> 00:06:05,999 Which I appreciated despite the dementia which was 112 00:06:05,999 --> 00:06:08,250 obviously in evidence. 113 00:06:08,834 --> 00:06:12,999 The part of the brain that was functional was still somehow able to ideate, 114 00:06:12,999 --> 00:06:15,792 and I thanked him for that. 115 00:06:15,792 --> 00:06:16,999 But it is the marker. 116 00:06:16,999 --> 00:06:18,083 Two years after they started here a reporter 117 00:06:18,083 --> 00:06:21,834 in England said I was a father figure for online culture. 118 00:06:21,834 --> 00:06:22,999 Ten years later a hacker said change that 119 00:06:22,999 --> 00:06:24,918 to grandfather. 120 00:06:24,959 --> 00:06:27,959 Then ten years later I'm a deranged old man. 121 00:06:28,751 --> 00:06:33,667 Those who find that amusing, that will be your destiny as well. 122 00:06:33,667 --> 00:06:36,918 I just warn you in advance those dots 123 00:06:36,918 --> 00:06:40,792 will also connect for you. 124 00:06:41,083 --> 00:06:42,083 Okay. 125 00:06:42,083 --> 00:06:43,999 So let me establish the context. 126 00:06:43,999 --> 00:06:47,459 I use to refer to books then I found out nobody read them anymore. 127 00:06:47,459 --> 00:06:48,999 So I started going to movies. 128 00:06:48,999 --> 00:06:52,209 When I referred to HAL and a hacker said "Who is HAL?" 129 00:06:52,209 --> 00:06:55,626 I realized I couldn't even use "2001." 130 00:06:55,626 --> 00:06:59,417 That's a movie by Stanley Kubrick as a point of reference. 131 00:07:00,709 --> 00:07:03,999 When I was driving a young man over here from a hotel I asked him how 132 00:07:03,999 --> 00:07:05,834 he liked Vegas. 133 00:07:05,834 --> 00:07:06,999 And it was his first trip. 134 00:07:06,999 --> 00:07:09,167 And he said, I don't know how Vegas got here. 135 00:07:09,334 --> 00:07:11,667 How did this town get built? 136 00:07:11,667 --> 00:07:14,667 I said, do you not know anything about the history of Vegas? 137 00:07:14,667 --> 00:07:15,751 And he said, no. 138 00:07:15,751 --> 00:07:17,375 So all I could think of was movies. 139 00:07:17,375 --> 00:07:18,999 See "Bugsy," "Casino." 140 00:07:18,999 --> 00:07:21,999 Then read Kitty Kelly's biography of Frank Sinatra and you got 141 00:07:21,999 --> 00:07:23,959 the whole thing. 142 00:07:24,250 --> 00:07:25,918 But see "Casino." 143 00:07:25,918 --> 00:07:28,709 Only the names have been changed to protect the guilty. 144 00:07:29,209 --> 00:07:32,209 In this talk see "Chinatown." 145 00:07:32,626 --> 00:07:35,999 If you don't know the great flowering of golden Hollywood movies 146 00:07:35,999 --> 00:07:38,834 in 1970 look it up on Wikipedia. 147 00:07:38,876 --> 00:07:40,959 It will be mostly accurate. 148 00:07:41,292 --> 00:07:45,250 And one of the movies that will be celebrated is "Chinatown." 149 00:07:45,459 --> 00:07:47,959 Robert Towne's great onus. 150 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:50,292 Look at how the end they wanted to change it. 151 00:07:50,292 --> 00:07:52,626 It was rejected because it was not real. 152 00:07:52,751 --> 00:07:56,999 A Chinatown moment is that kind of moment that you have when you 153 00:07:56,999 --> 00:08:00,999 realize, has that package been inspected? 154 00:08:06,584 --> 00:08:16,250 (Laughter) AUDIENCE MEMBER: (No microphone.) (Applause) RICHARD 155 00:08:16,250 --> 00:08:24,501 THIEME: At my age it goes too quickly to the brain. 156 00:08:24,501 --> 00:08:25,501 I better not. 157 00:08:26,792 --> 00:08:28,999 But thank you for offering. 158 00:08:28,999 --> 00:08:29,999 Appreciate it. 159 00:08:32,459 --> 00:08:34,751 Okay let's get into the talk. 160 00:08:34,751 --> 00:08:36,334 China town moments are moments when you realize things are not what 161 00:08:36,334 --> 00:08:37,834 they seem. 162 00:08:37,876 --> 00:08:41,083 They really are not what you thought they were. 163 00:08:41,667 --> 00:08:44,083 You may think you know what you are dealing with, Mr. Gidious said, 164 00:08:44,083 --> 00:08:48,083 know across the embodiness of evil, but believe me, sir you don't. 165 00:08:48,375 --> 00:08:51,083 There are moments and this is the silverback part, 166 00:08:51,083 --> 00:08:54,167 as I have aged where you wander into those zones of shadow 167 00:08:54,167 --> 00:08:56,999 and annihilation of the belief system you have built 168 00:08:56,999 --> 00:09:01,334 which is a more optimistic one about how things actually work. 169 00:09:01,876 --> 00:09:05,250 That, for example, Snowden sacrifice of his life as it will turn 170 00:09:05,250 --> 00:09:07,375 out to be perhaps. 171 00:09:07,375 --> 00:09:08,709 I mean, he will be killed. 172 00:09:08,709 --> 00:09:10,083 You don't need to kill people. 173 00:09:10,083 --> 00:09:12,876 My good friend Gary Webb took his own life with his reputation, 174 00:09:12,876 --> 00:09:16,584 credibility and career were destroyed when he wrote an article 175 00:09:16,584 --> 00:09:21,292 about the CIA contra and crack cocaine that was in the main 98 percent correct, 176 00:09:21,292 --> 00:09:24,459 but which he was forced to retract. 177 00:09:24,459 --> 00:09:25,999 That is his editor retracted it and he was fired A. 178 00:09:25,999 --> 00:09:28,626 Pulitzer prize winning reporter. 179 00:09:28,626 --> 00:09:31,709 Ten years later the word was, of course, we did a lot of that. 180 00:09:31,751 --> 00:09:33,167 Because the longer you get from the deed, 181 00:09:33,167 --> 00:09:35,959 the less accountability there is. 182 00:09:35,959 --> 00:09:37,542 So congress will adjourn. 183 00:09:37,542 --> 00:09:38,918 There can be headlines today and congress 184 00:09:38,918 --> 00:09:42,250 will adjourn and they'll come back in five or six weeks and there 185 00:09:42,250 --> 00:09:44,792 will be some other issue on the burner and not 186 00:09:44,792 --> 00:09:47,083 all that much will change. 187 00:09:47,083 --> 00:09:49,125 People in power just wait it out. 188 00:09:49,542 --> 00:09:51,334 Just wait it out. 189 00:09:51,334 --> 00:09:53,792 And freedom of speech is a bleeder valve to enable us 190 00:09:53,792 --> 00:09:56,709 to believe that we are having an effective response 191 00:09:56,709 --> 00:09:59,542 to the things that so perplex us. 192 00:09:59,542 --> 00:10:03,042 But when that speech becomes actionable, that's when you better look 193 00:10:03,042 --> 00:10:07,709 out, that's when you become a whistle blower or a traitor. 194 00:10:07,876 --> 00:10:09,000 All right. 195 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,459 That's relevant as the context in which this deception 196 00:10:11,459 --> 00:10:14,709 and disinformation project took place. 197 00:10:14,959 --> 00:10:18,292 UFO's in Government is above all a historical inquiry. 198 00:10:18,292 --> 00:10:19,999 It is a work of history. 199 00:10:19,999 --> 00:10:21,292 It looks at how the government responded 200 00:10:21,292 --> 00:10:23,667 from the 1940s forward. 201 00:10:23,792 --> 00:10:26,375 Michael Sorens was the lead writer. 202 00:10:26,375 --> 00:10:29,375 Michael is a brilliant man who has been writing really good scholarship 203 00:10:29,375 --> 00:10:31,375 about this suspect. 204 00:10:31,375 --> 00:10:34,250 A professor at Western University, a PhD in the history 205 00:10:34,250 --> 00:10:36,999 of technology and science. 206 00:10:36,999 --> 00:10:42,999 He's written great quality articles to show it is respectable in this field. 207 00:10:44,834 --> 00:10:48,999 I was invited to join this project I think by a wing and a prayer. 208 00:10:48,999 --> 00:10:51,999 Details don't matter, but I found myself in the group. 209 00:10:51,999 --> 00:10:53,501 The thought it was going to plan some white papers 210 00:10:53,501 --> 00:10:56,000 and wound up planning this entire book. 211 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,501 And it took five years to put the book together. 212 00:10:58,501 --> 00:11:02,876 After we met, we didn't meet again until the book was complete. 213 00:11:02,876 --> 00:11:04,459 It was all done over the internet. 214 00:11:04,459 --> 00:11:05,999 Chapters would go to and fro. 215 00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:08,751 There's no chapter allowed to this one or that one. 216 00:11:08,751 --> 00:11:13,876 We all participated in the creation of the 600 page historical record. 217 00:11:13,876 --> 00:11:17,999 The top three names you see Clas, Vicente and Bill are experts 218 00:11:17,999 --> 00:11:23,292 in their countries Sweden and Spain, pioneered in the use of freedom 219 00:11:23,292 --> 00:11:25,999 of information act to get documents 220 00:11:25,999 --> 00:11:29,709 from the government they claimed did not exist 221 00:11:29,709 --> 00:11:32,167 and which did exist. 222 00:11:32,167 --> 00:11:34,250 He did that in the 70s when he had a chance he knew 223 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:38,334 in 1980 when Reagan was elected that was the end of FOIA. 224 00:11:38,334 --> 00:11:39,751 As it is. 225 00:11:39,751 --> 00:11:41,792 I've had friends both at FBI and Interpol tell me you are never 226 00:11:41,792 --> 00:11:43,999 going to get what you request because we file it 227 00:11:43,999 --> 00:11:47,417 under different names and other file folders so we can tell you honestly 228 00:11:47,417 --> 00:11:50,125 there's nothing in that file because it's cross referenced 229 00:11:50,125 --> 00:11:52,209 under different codes. 230 00:11:52,292 --> 00:11:54,834 So it's not going work the same way anymore. 231 00:11:54,834 --> 00:11:56,083 And you will be charged, what, ten bucks a page 232 00:11:56,083 --> 00:11:58,250 to duplicate 8,000 pages. 233 00:11:58,834 --> 00:12:03,083 I was included by sheer good fortune. 234 00:12:03,083 --> 00:12:06,125 Jan Aldrich, the head of projects 1947, which you can find on the web 235 00:12:06,125 --> 00:12:08,959 with a lot of documentation. 236 00:12:08,959 --> 00:12:10,626 A former intelligence man. 237 00:12:10,999 --> 00:12:14,125 When you look at the book there will be a signing. 238 00:12:14,125 --> 00:12:16,999 I will just say that afterwards at the vendors thing. 239 00:12:16,999 --> 00:12:22,999 But the book is available in print or as a PDF file from Google books. 240 00:12:22,999 --> 00:12:25,959 But not for pads or kindles. 241 00:12:25,959 --> 00:12:27,250 Jan kept us honest. 242 00:12:27,250 --> 00:12:28,417 We were drawing all the organizational charts 243 00:12:28,417 --> 00:12:31,167 and communication systems because he would say this one don't 244 00:12:31,167 --> 00:12:33,999 talk to that one he talks to that one. 245 00:12:33,999 --> 00:12:37,209 So we had it all documented and correct. 246 00:12:37,209 --> 00:12:38,999 Steve arranged for a million permissions 247 00:12:38,999 --> 00:12:43,459 and didn't include the pictures for which we couldn't. 248 00:12:43,459 --> 00:12:46,125 It's full of photographs of people and things. 249 00:12:46,125 --> 00:12:47,959 So that's what the book is. 250 00:12:47,999 --> 00:12:49,292 We're proud of it. 251 00:12:49,292 --> 00:12:50,292 We're proud of it. 252 00:12:50,292 --> 00:12:52,999 I can speak with such pride because it was everybody else's work 253 00:12:52,999 --> 00:12:56,250 that made it such a splendid achievement. 254 00:12:56,250 --> 00:12:58,501 First let's start with what a UFO is not. 255 00:12:58,542 --> 00:13:01,709 Tabloid UFO fires on Louisville, Kentucky police chopper, 256 00:13:01,709 --> 00:13:03,626 two cops survive. 257 00:13:03,709 --> 00:13:06,876 That is not what we mean by the word UFO. 258 00:13:06,999 --> 00:13:08,999 People project what they think we mean as aliens 259 00:13:08,999 --> 00:13:10,918 and this and that. 260 00:13:10,918 --> 00:13:11,999 That's not what we mean. 261 00:13:11,999 --> 00:13:13,999 We mean unidentified flying object. 262 00:13:14,250 --> 00:13:16,501 But to our knowledge they did not fire on Louisville, 263 00:13:16,501 --> 00:13:18,834 Kentucky police choppers. 264 00:13:18,999 --> 00:13:22,083 And to our knowledge as this man claims space aliens drained 265 00:13:22,083 --> 00:13:25,834 my blood and filled my blood with a fluid. 266 00:13:26,542 --> 00:13:29,250 Indeed a steel worker or any of us would be shaken 267 00:13:29,250 --> 00:13:31,667 by having their blood drained and replaced 268 00:13:31,667 --> 00:13:35,167 with a yellow fluid especially if it is a mysterious yellow fluid 269 00:13:35,167 --> 00:13:38,501 the purpose of which we just do not know. 270 00:13:39,626 --> 00:13:42,417 And if it was done by aliens. 271 00:13:42,417 --> 00:13:46,501 And on top of it an alien that looked like that sketch which was made 272 00:13:46,501 --> 00:13:48,999 from his description. 273 00:13:49,083 --> 00:13:53,999 Shaken is just the beginning of our response to that experience. 274 00:13:53,999 --> 00:13:56,417 (Laughter) So the poor steel worker probably lives 275 00:13:56,417 --> 00:14:01,375 in Akron, Ohio on to this day and will tell you his story. 276 00:14:01,667 --> 00:14:04,083 But that isn't what we mean by UFO's. 277 00:14:04,083 --> 00:14:06,167 Unfortunately we don't mean this either. 278 00:14:06,167 --> 00:14:07,083 This was a great picture from Paul Trent a farmer 279 00:14:07,083 --> 00:14:09,083 in McMinnville, Oregon. 280 00:14:09,292 --> 00:14:13,167 He took two pictures around 1950ish, late 40s, of this object 281 00:14:13,167 --> 00:14:16,626 he said which appeared over his farm. 282 00:14:16,626 --> 00:14:18,751 He took two and I'll show you both of them. 283 00:14:18,751 --> 00:14:19,959 They look pretty good. 284 00:14:19,959 --> 00:14:21,751 The debunkers did everything they could to show it was false and 285 00:14:21,751 --> 00:14:23,792 they couldn't falsify it. 286 00:14:23,792 --> 00:14:26,209 Then the number of pages and work and effort dedicated 287 00:14:26,209 --> 00:14:28,876 to it was extraordinary. 288 00:14:28,876 --> 00:14:30,501 That's the first of two photos. 289 00:14:30,501 --> 00:14:32,999 This is a few newspaper clippings. 290 00:14:32,999 --> 00:14:34,834 And what you see in the sky are photo one on the right, 291 00:14:34,834 --> 00:14:36,959 photo two on the left. 292 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:38,792 Tilted differently on the left. 293 00:14:41,125 --> 00:14:43,167 He was just a farmer. 294 00:14:43,167 --> 00:14:45,999 I talked to the people actually you go to great lengths. 295 00:14:46,083 --> 00:14:48,792 People who buried him and knew him all his life and said 296 00:14:48,792 --> 00:14:51,918 he always said this what's he had seen. 297 00:14:51,918 --> 00:14:53,292 This what's he photographed. 298 00:14:53,584 --> 00:14:55,999 And then this came in from France. 299 00:14:55,999 --> 00:14:57,292 First it was said 54. 300 00:14:57,292 --> 00:14:58,292 Then '57. 301 00:14:58,999 --> 00:15:02,083 When you are following the Providence of a photo 302 00:15:02,083 --> 00:15:05,417 because we want to reject everything that can't be 303 00:15:05,417 --> 00:15:09,501 documented clearly and verified for accuracy, different dates, 304 00:15:09,501 --> 00:15:13,083 no one came forward as they would have had this picture 305 00:15:13,083 --> 00:15:17,334 been taken by gun camera footage from the French. 306 00:15:17,334 --> 00:15:21,999 It looks strikingly like if you remember the Trent photo. 307 00:15:22,125 --> 00:15:24,999 What it looks like is the Trent photo. 308 00:15:24,999 --> 00:15:27,999 Which someone has adjusted and changed a little bit. 309 00:15:28,125 --> 00:15:30,209 But it is the same photo. 310 00:15:30,209 --> 00:15:33,209 It's not a separate photo and there's no Providence for it. 311 00:15:33,209 --> 00:15:34,999 And that's not what we mean by UFO. 312 00:15:34,999 --> 00:15:37,834 That is things that seem to be false are not what we mean 313 00:15:37,834 --> 00:15:39,334 by UFO's. 314 00:15:39,334 --> 00:15:44,999 I just spent time only ten days ago here in Vegas with Francois from France. 315 00:15:45,292 --> 00:15:47,083 If you saw close encounters of the third kind he was 316 00:15:47,083 --> 00:15:49,334 like the Truffaut character. 317 00:15:49,542 --> 00:15:51,792 He worked with the official French organization 318 00:15:51,792 --> 00:15:54,626 that was dedicated to understanding and responding 319 00:15:54,626 --> 00:15:57,918 to the UFO phenomena from the top down. 320 00:15:57,918 --> 00:16:01,209 He helped resuscitate it as J Pan in 2006. 321 00:16:01,209 --> 00:16:03,501 He also worked with their spy satellite imagery 322 00:16:03,501 --> 00:16:05,999 programs for many years. 323 00:16:05,999 --> 00:16:06,999 He is no slouch. 324 00:16:06,999 --> 00:16:09,167 And now is a consultant he developed a program 325 00:16:09,167 --> 00:16:13,125 for photo analysis and demonstrated to me painstakingly 326 00:16:13,125 --> 00:16:19,334 the closer you get to that photo, that one, the pixels begin to change. 327 00:16:19,334 --> 00:16:20,667 And though the filament cannot be discerned 328 00:16:20,667 --> 00:16:24,167 on the photo you can see there is a filament there. 329 00:16:24,167 --> 00:16:27,459 That in two sigmas greater probability than not, that it is hanging 330 00:16:27,459 --> 00:16:31,584 by a very thin visible filament from that power line. 331 00:16:31,584 --> 00:16:35,375 And that's too damn bad because it is a great picture and great story. 332 00:16:35,375 --> 00:16:38,125 And that's not what we mean by UFO. 333 00:16:38,125 --> 00:16:39,999 But we do mean this. 334 00:16:40,083 --> 00:16:43,334 Coast guard man Salem, Massachusetts, 1952. 335 00:16:43,334 --> 00:16:45,626 He is in his office and looks out the window. 336 00:16:45,626 --> 00:16:46,918 He sees that. 337 00:16:46,999 --> 00:16:48,375 He sees that and he takes his camera 338 00:16:48,375 --> 00:16:50,584 and takes this picture. 339 00:16:50,834 --> 00:16:53,083 He also shows a photograph which was published 340 00:16:53,083 --> 00:16:57,876 as news to which I will refer shortly, as news in the newspaper unidentified 341 00:16:57,876 --> 00:17:00,918 area phenomena in the east coast. 342 00:17:00,918 --> 00:17:03,417 Then newspapers reported it as news. 343 00:17:03,417 --> 00:17:04,417 Why? 344 00:17:04,417 --> 00:17:05,959 Because this is big news. 345 00:17:05,959 --> 00:17:08,501 When four vehicles in echelon formation are speeding 346 00:17:08,501 --> 00:17:13,083 through the sky surrounded by what looks like a plasma. 347 00:17:13,584 --> 00:17:15,999 And we'll say a little more about that later. 348 00:17:15,999 --> 00:17:18,334 This is what we mean by a UFO. 349 00:17:18,667 --> 00:17:21,125 We mean a genuine photograph of objects flying 350 00:17:21,125 --> 00:17:25,250 in echelon formation demonstrating aerodynamic characteristics 351 00:17:25,250 --> 00:17:29,999 and physical characteristics which at the time the picture was taken or 352 00:17:29,999 --> 00:17:34,792 the report was made could not be easily duplicated or in fact duplicated 353 00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:37,999 at all by any of us terrestrials. 354 00:17:37,999 --> 00:17:43,083 Not saying it's extraterrestrial I'm just saying we didn't know how to do that. 355 00:17:43,083 --> 00:17:45,542 We didn't know how to go from zero to a thousand. 356 00:17:45,751 --> 00:17:48,083 At a talk I gave at the random lake public library, 357 00:17:48,083 --> 00:17:52,334 88 year old man in back says I was in Korea running radar and I saw these 358 00:17:52,334 --> 00:17:56,792 things come across our screen at a thousand miles an hour. 359 00:17:56,959 --> 00:17:59,999 I called my superior officer and said should I report this. 360 00:17:59,999 --> 00:18:00,999 He said no. 361 00:18:00,999 --> 00:18:02,584 The radar is malfunctioning. 362 00:18:02,584 --> 00:18:04,667 He said then we should fix the radar. 363 00:18:04,667 --> 00:18:05,999 The response was no. 364 00:18:06,334 --> 00:18:08,709 So that was the end of that. 365 00:18:08,918 --> 00:18:10,459 (Laughter). 366 00:18:11,083 --> 00:18:14,083 So that's what you run into. 367 00:18:14,459 --> 00:18:16,209 So that's what a UFO is. 368 00:18:16,209 --> 00:18:17,999 This is what a UFO is. 369 00:18:17,999 --> 00:18:19,999 The modern era began in the 1940s with Foo Fighters, 370 00:18:19,999 --> 00:18:22,083 the French word for FAO. 371 00:18:25,876 --> 00:18:28,626 These glowing objects you see three arrows 372 00:18:28,626 --> 00:18:33,292 in the top and two glowing objects were widely reported from the German 373 00:18:33,292 --> 00:18:37,626 and Japanese theaters as pacing, trailing, following then taking 374 00:18:37,626 --> 00:18:41,292 off at an extraordinary rate of speed and going straight 375 00:18:41,292 --> 00:18:45,501 up or disappearing horizontally in the distance. 376 00:18:45,501 --> 00:18:47,292 And they glowed red and white like the plasmas that have become 377 00:18:47,292 --> 00:18:48,876 so familiar. 378 00:18:49,167 --> 00:18:51,876 And we didn't know what they were. 379 00:18:51,999 --> 00:18:55,999 The military said it did not make any official response but, of course, 380 00:18:55,999 --> 00:18:59,626 using freedom of information act and other sources and archives 381 00:18:59,626 --> 00:19:03,375 and libraries and correspondence we've gotten the information that 382 00:19:03,375 --> 00:19:05,334 in fact they did. 383 00:19:05,334 --> 00:19:07,918 They were very concerned about what these were. 384 00:19:07,918 --> 00:19:10,417 We thought they were German or Japanese. 385 00:19:10,417 --> 00:19:14,834 Because we were flying missions over Germany and over Japan. 386 00:19:14,834 --> 00:19:16,999 We learned after the war because we got most 387 00:19:16,999 --> 00:19:21,667 of the scientists and turned them from bad Nazis into good Americans, 388 00:19:21,667 --> 00:19:25,167 like Braun, some became bad communists. 389 00:19:25,167 --> 00:19:26,709 Which a bad Nazi would do. 390 00:19:26,876 --> 00:19:28,083 (Laughter). 391 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:32,999 But the best of them including Braun became our 392 00:19:32,999 --> 00:19:35,167 good American. 393 00:19:35,999 --> 00:19:38,751 Anyway we found out Germans didn't have them. 394 00:19:38,751 --> 00:19:40,375 They were as puzzled as we were. 395 00:19:40,375 --> 00:19:42,999 We got all the documents and so did the Russians. 396 00:19:42,999 --> 00:19:44,999 They didn't know what they were either. 397 00:19:44,999 --> 00:19:46,250 Neither did the Japanese. 398 00:19:46,250 --> 00:19:47,999 So there was a military response. 399 00:19:47,999 --> 00:19:50,626 At least commanders writing to others saying escalate 400 00:19:50,626 --> 00:19:55,083 the hypothesis in order to understand what these are. 401 00:19:55,083 --> 00:19:57,999 And all they could think of was the category, the cognitive category, 402 00:19:57,999 --> 00:20:01,292 military operation against us by an enemy. 403 00:20:01,459 --> 00:20:04,375 Well, this continued. 404 00:20:04,375 --> 00:20:08,999 1947 is when we mark the beginning of, quote, the modern era that's that 405 00:20:08,999 --> 00:20:11,999 is when Kenneth Arnold in Washington east 406 00:20:11,999 --> 00:20:16,959 of the mountains reported what he saw were nine silvery objects flying 407 00:20:16,959 --> 00:20:21,250 in a kind of skipping motion through the sky behind peaks then 408 00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:23,667 out in front again. 409 00:20:23,667 --> 00:20:25,542 And when he landed he said they skipped through the air 410 00:20:25,542 --> 00:20:29,959 like saucers which good reporters reported as he said they were saucers. 411 00:20:29,999 --> 00:20:31,626 Then we had the word flying saucer which came 412 00:20:31,626 --> 00:20:33,417 into our lexicon. 413 00:20:33,417 --> 00:20:37,417 He said they were heel shaped with a straight edge. 414 00:20:37,417 --> 00:20:38,751 Then a rounded edge. 415 00:20:38,751 --> 00:20:40,167 It was reported flying saucers because he said they skipped 416 00:20:40,167 --> 00:20:42,250 through the air like saucers. 417 00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:45,083 There were other reports all over the country 418 00:20:45,083 --> 00:20:48,083 in small local newspapers of sightings 419 00:20:48,083 --> 00:20:53,667 of disk and cigar shaped objects flying incredible and seemed strange 420 00:20:53,667 --> 00:21:00,209 and didn't make sense to us in 46 and 47 and it compelled the military. 421 00:21:00,209 --> 00:21:04,584 So we have a memo from a general I want 422 00:21:04,584 --> 00:21:08,292 to underscore some words. 423 00:21:08,292 --> 00:21:10,999 He said: It is the opinion that the phenomenon reported 424 00:21:10,999 --> 00:21:15,167 is something real and not visionary or fictitious. 425 00:21:15,167 --> 00:21:18,959 Under score real, not visionary, not fictitious. 426 00:21:18,959 --> 00:21:20,125 This is early on. 427 00:21:20,125 --> 00:21:22,250 They knew it was real. 428 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:23,250 Why? 429 00:21:23,250 --> 00:21:25,083 Because not only people but sensors like radar detected 430 00:21:25,083 --> 00:21:27,542 the objects in a consistent way which showed 431 00:21:27,542 --> 00:21:31,250 consistent characteristics and because credible people as we'll hear 432 00:21:31,250 --> 00:21:35,083 in a minute saw what they called incredible things. 433 00:21:35,083 --> 00:21:36,999 They knew it was real. 434 00:21:36,999 --> 00:21:38,083 That's the basis. 435 00:21:38,083 --> 00:21:39,876 The sociological puzzle. 436 00:21:39,876 --> 00:21:43,751 And the psychological puzzle for the rest of the twentieth century 437 00:21:43,751 --> 00:21:48,542 is how we humans can hear this being said in the 1940s. 438 00:21:48,542 --> 00:21:50,459 They are real the general said. 439 00:21:50,459 --> 00:21:52,626 They are real the general said. 440 00:21:52,626 --> 00:21:58,584 And it does not penetrate our brain, drip, drip, drip, in any meaningful way. 441 00:21:58,584 --> 00:22:03,834 As to become the cornerstone or foundational anomaly that is a fact. 442 00:22:03,834 --> 00:22:04,999 Which Richard the great physicist said 443 00:22:04,999 --> 00:22:08,167 is where you begin to change the paradigm. 444 00:22:08,167 --> 00:22:11,417 Hates to be a fact and has to be anomalous. 445 00:22:11,667 --> 00:22:14,999 It cannot fit in our current model of understanding. 446 00:22:15,083 --> 00:22:16,667 It has anomalous. 447 00:22:16,667 --> 00:22:18,083 We didn't know what they were. 448 00:22:18,083 --> 00:22:19,250 And it was a fact. 449 00:22:20,250 --> 00:22:24,626 There are objects probably in the shape of a disk as such size 450 00:22:24,626 --> 00:22:28,792 is appear to be as large as manmade aircraft. 451 00:22:28,792 --> 00:22:32,083 Reported operating characteristics extreme rates of climb, 452 00:22:32,083 --> 00:22:36,542 maneuverability and actions which must be considered evasive when 453 00:22:36,542 --> 00:22:39,626 sighted by aircraft and radar. 454 00:22:39,626 --> 00:22:40,959 It was serious. 455 00:22:41,501 --> 00:22:44,959 The aerodynamic capability was reported to be far in excess 456 00:22:44,959 --> 00:22:48,999 of anything that we knew how to do or could engineer even though we may 457 00:22:48,999 --> 00:22:52,626 well have been working on trying to understand electric magnetic 458 00:22:52,626 --> 00:22:55,834 systems or propulsion systems that didn't just blow gas 459 00:22:55,834 --> 00:22:58,709 out of the back end of a object and push it forward 460 00:22:58,709 --> 00:23:00,999 in response with lift. 461 00:23:00,999 --> 00:23:03,083 They operated in a different way. 462 00:23:03,083 --> 00:23:05,999 And our observations confirmed that and we didn't know. 463 00:23:05,999 --> 00:23:08,417 I don't think we still know exactly how gravity was displaced 464 00:23:08,417 --> 00:23:12,501 or electromagnetic currents were generated that affected space time 465 00:23:12,501 --> 00:23:14,959 and affected the people that were close 466 00:23:14,959 --> 00:23:19,167 to the object in the way they have been reported to do. 467 00:23:19,709 --> 00:23:21,292 So they were real. 468 00:23:21,292 --> 00:23:22,918 Even Lyndon Johnson who was a congressman then said what's 469 00:23:22,918 --> 00:23:24,167 the story. 470 00:23:24,167 --> 00:23:25,417 I'm getting letters from constituents who see 471 00:23:25,417 --> 00:23:27,083 these things. 472 00:23:27,083 --> 00:23:30,626 He was told correctly, this is one half of the quote in the book, 473 00:23:30,626 --> 00:23:34,792 you get that I am just skipping through the highlights of 600 pages 474 00:23:34,792 --> 00:23:38,584 of well documented, complex, detailed history. 475 00:23:38,584 --> 00:23:41,459 We're investigating the flying disks. 476 00:23:41,459 --> 00:23:43,083 Detailed statements of credible witnesses are being 477 00:23:43,083 --> 00:23:44,999 carefully reviewed. 478 00:23:44,999 --> 00:23:46,876 Under score credible witnesses. 479 00:23:46,876 --> 00:23:48,999 They knew then that's what they were. 480 00:23:48,999 --> 00:23:52,709 And they were being carefully reviewed although not in public. 481 00:23:52,709 --> 00:23:54,999 Well they had to respond and they did. 482 00:23:54,999 --> 00:23:57,751 They formed project sign in 1948. 483 00:23:57,751 --> 00:24:00,876 There were three hypotheses considered by project sign. 484 00:24:00,876 --> 00:24:03,375 Which was staffed by people who were well intended 485 00:24:03,375 --> 00:24:07,083 and thought their commission, their task was to try to come 486 00:24:07,083 --> 00:24:10,999 up with a hypothesis that best fit the data they were presented 487 00:24:10,999 --> 00:24:14,999 and said what these things were likely to be. 488 00:24:14,999 --> 00:24:16,959 And there were three major hypotheses. 489 00:24:16,959 --> 00:24:17,959 They were Russian. 490 00:24:17,999 --> 00:24:19,501 They were American. 491 00:24:19,501 --> 00:24:23,083 And compartmented secret project that other people didn't know about. 492 00:24:23,667 --> 00:24:26,626 Or as they thought, extraterrestrial. 493 00:24:26,626 --> 00:24:29,751 These days people say maybe they're from another dimension. 494 00:24:30,959 --> 00:24:32,626 I won't go into. 495 00:24:32,626 --> 00:24:34,584 This talk isn't about their behaviors. 496 00:24:34,626 --> 00:24:37,792 But today we would expand on that and say there are variety 497 00:24:37,792 --> 00:24:41,292 of possibilities that might explain this if they are intelligent and 498 00:24:41,292 --> 00:24:43,417 if they are visitors. 499 00:24:43,417 --> 00:24:46,792 But at that time it was Russian or American or extraterrestrial. 500 00:24:46,792 --> 00:24:49,751 The Russians why not over flying our cities and missile bases 501 00:24:49,751 --> 00:24:51,459 and airports. 502 00:24:51,459 --> 00:24:52,584 They really weren't. 503 00:24:52,584 --> 00:24:53,584 They couldn't. 504 00:24:53,584 --> 00:24:56,250 They would have been in big trouble had they done that. 505 00:24:56,250 --> 00:24:58,125 If it was an American project, let's flash forward 506 00:24:58,125 --> 00:25:01,751 a few decades when Edward Mitchell, Apollo 14, said to me 507 00:25:01,751 --> 00:25:05,999 with a straight face, Richard, he said, if we can do what they can do, 508 00:25:05,999 --> 00:25:10,334 they would not have sent me to the moon in a Tin Lizzie. 509 00:25:11,083 --> 00:25:15,542 This is a man who spent several days cramped up in a tin can going 510 00:25:15,542 --> 00:25:19,250 to the moon, walking on the moon, and who coming back had 511 00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:23,292 a life changing experience in which he determined, perceived, 512 00:25:23,292 --> 00:25:26,751 experienced the unity of all things. 513 00:25:26,751 --> 00:25:28,999 The inner connectiveness, the non local connectiveness 514 00:25:28,999 --> 00:25:32,667 and consciousness of all things and has devoted his life ever 515 00:25:32,667 --> 00:25:37,417 after to try to articulate that so people could very frustrating very lonely so 516 00:25:37,417 --> 00:25:40,792 people could understand what he experienced when he saw 517 00:25:40,792 --> 00:25:43,751 the unity of all things like a Misick coming back 518 00:25:43,751 --> 00:25:45,542 from the moon. 519 00:25:45,584 --> 00:25:48,167 They wouldn't have sent me to the moon in a tin Lizzie 520 00:25:48,167 --> 00:25:51,250 if we knew how to move like that, he said. 521 00:25:51,375 --> 00:25:54,751 So it was determined that they were not American. 522 00:25:54,751 --> 00:25:56,125 Make the story very short. 523 00:25:56,125 --> 00:25:58,083 It was not a compartmented project and we did not have 524 00:25:58,083 --> 00:26:00,834 the technological ability to do that. 525 00:26:01,459 --> 00:26:04,999 The third hypothesis was the most likely. 526 00:26:04,999 --> 00:26:07,709 The least unlikely hypothesis that explain what's we are looking 527 00:26:07,709 --> 00:26:11,999 at as data and evidence is the extraterrestrial hypothesis. 528 00:26:11,999 --> 00:26:14,125 They wrote an estimate of the situation which is what you did 529 00:26:14,125 --> 00:26:16,667 in that domain and sent it up the chain of command 530 00:26:16,667 --> 00:26:19,417 to Vandenberg the general at the top. 531 00:26:19,626 --> 00:26:23,167 He responded by saying I refuse to accept that. 532 00:26:23,417 --> 00:26:24,999 Knocked it back down. 533 00:26:24,999 --> 00:26:28,375 It went back down the chain of command and it was disbanded. 534 00:26:28,375 --> 00:26:28,999 But they had to do something more so 535 00:26:28,999 --> 00:26:31,083 they did project grudge. 536 00:26:31,083 --> 00:26:34,542 The name of which signifies the attitude of people in it. 537 00:26:35,626 --> 00:26:38,542 When your commanding officer says I refuse to accept 538 00:26:38,542 --> 00:26:42,375 the likely hypothesis that explains the data then you know your task 539 00:26:42,375 --> 00:26:46,459 is to come up with a hypothesis that is probably much less accurate than 540 00:26:46,459 --> 00:26:49,542 that and, therefore, just spin your wheels, kill time, 541 00:26:49,542 --> 00:26:53,626 have lunch, take long naps and come up with something. 542 00:26:54,334 --> 00:26:57,918 Well we don't have the estimate of the situation. 543 00:26:57,918 --> 00:26:58,999 There is one copy. 544 00:26:58,999 --> 00:27:01,999 It's kind of like the end of "Raiders of The Lost Arc." 545 00:27:01,999 --> 00:27:03,999 It's hidden in a warehouse somewhere. 546 00:27:03,999 --> 00:27:06,209 But we do have the report of captain Rue pelt who was 547 00:27:06,209 --> 00:27:08,999 the first head of project blue book later 548 00:27:08,999 --> 00:27:12,459 on that it existed and what was in it. 549 00:27:12,459 --> 00:27:13,999 It was that hypothesis. 550 00:27:13,999 --> 00:27:15,584 And that's what was rejected. 551 00:27:15,584 --> 00:27:17,292 Project grudge had a different attitude and they came 552 00:27:17,292 --> 00:27:18,999 up with this. 553 00:27:18,999 --> 00:27:20,250 Look at this press release. 554 00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:21,667 Evaluate it for yourself. 555 00:27:21,667 --> 00:27:23,999 We have investigated and evaluated blank. 556 00:27:23,999 --> 00:27:26,667 That is whatever is reported to be occurring and have found nothing 557 00:27:26,667 --> 00:27:31,250 of value which would change our previous estimates on the subject. 558 00:27:31,959 --> 00:27:34,167 We had mimeo machines then. 559 00:27:34,167 --> 00:27:35,459 Not digital. 560 00:27:35,999 --> 00:27:39,375 Crank out this press release and distribute to all people on bases. 561 00:27:39,375 --> 00:27:42,083 And when anyone reports anything like an unidentified flying object fill 562 00:27:42,083 --> 00:27:45,167 in the blank with the name of the incident and say it's been 563 00:27:45,167 --> 00:27:47,876 investigated and it's nothing. 564 00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:50,999 That was just an expedient response. 565 00:27:50,999 --> 00:27:53,209 Some were unhappy like general cable. 566 00:27:53,209 --> 00:27:55,999 He said what the hell do I have to do actually said what do I have 567 00:27:55,999 --> 00:27:57,999 to do to stir up action. 568 00:27:57,999 --> 00:27:59,292 Anyone can see we do not have a satisfactory answer 569 00:27:59,292 --> 00:28:01,292 to the saucer question. 570 00:28:01,292 --> 00:28:03,209 I want a answer and good answer. 571 00:28:03,209 --> 00:28:05,999 In other words, the government was not just one thing. 572 00:28:05,999 --> 00:28:08,999 There are people who looked at the data and knew it was real. 573 00:28:10,999 --> 00:28:14,542 Of course the problem was they didn't have an answer. 574 00:28:14,542 --> 00:28:16,083 They didn't know what it was. 575 00:28:16,083 --> 00:28:19,083 They didn't know what it was doing or doing here. 576 00:28:19,083 --> 00:28:23,959 And above all, this is critical, they wanted to know if it was a threat. 577 00:28:23,999 --> 00:28:26,417 Because it was a Russian thing it was a threat. 578 00:28:26,417 --> 00:28:27,459 It wasn't Russian. 579 00:28:27,459 --> 00:28:29,250 But is it invaders from mars? 580 00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:30,501 Are they going to eat us? 581 00:28:30,501 --> 00:28:33,999 Is it Clateau come down telling us to get rid of our nuclear weapons? 582 00:28:34,083 --> 00:28:37,125 Gonna stop the roller coaster from going for 20 minutes to get 583 00:28:37,125 --> 00:28:39,334 the attention of earth? 584 00:28:39,334 --> 00:28:41,083 It's not doing any of those things. 585 00:28:41,083 --> 00:28:45,792 What kind of a threat to our national security might this be? 586 00:28:45,792 --> 00:28:48,709 Post World War II, Europe is in rubble. 587 00:28:48,709 --> 00:28:52,209 The martial plan is cranked up as a way to reconstitute Europe. 588 00:28:52,209 --> 00:28:56,083 You guys are kids and don't remember that Europe was destroyed 589 00:28:56,083 --> 00:28:58,292 by World War II. 590 00:28:58,292 --> 00:29:00,792 It was like Syria today. 591 00:29:01,792 --> 00:29:05,083 The Russians were cranking up the cold war. 592 00:29:05,083 --> 00:29:07,626 We were engaged in a new kind of battle. 593 00:29:07,626 --> 00:29:11,083 The iron curtain had descended across Europe, et cetera, et cetera. 594 00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:14,501 In light of those concerns and paranoia and anti communistic, 595 00:29:14,501 --> 00:29:18,083 not just paranoia but realistic concerns that we had 596 00:29:18,083 --> 00:29:21,542 in those years, whether or not an aerial phenomena 597 00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:26,125 of this sort was a threat was a very important thing. 598 00:29:26,125 --> 00:29:28,292 And it was primarily what they looked at. 599 00:29:28,292 --> 00:29:34,083 What is the national security evaluation of this phenomena in these incidents? 600 00:29:34,083 --> 00:29:37,083 Well some still claim they were a mirage. 601 00:29:37,083 --> 00:29:40,792 But let's flash forward again skipping ahead, 1952. 602 00:29:41,125 --> 00:29:42,959 A significant year. 603 00:29:42,959 --> 00:29:45,083 Do you fire on a mirage? 604 00:29:45,083 --> 00:29:46,918 Do you fire on a hallucination? 605 00:29:46,918 --> 00:29:49,667 Quote, we quote we have quotes around and footnotes 606 00:29:49,667 --> 00:29:53,999 and documentation for every damn thing in the book. 607 00:29:53,999 --> 00:29:55,751 There is nothing speculative. 608 00:29:55,751 --> 00:29:58,792 It's from the government's own documents. 609 00:29:58,792 --> 00:30:01,709 That for 50 years this dedicated one would say obsessive, 610 00:30:01,709 --> 00:30:05,375 compulsive team and do you know anyone who is interesting who 611 00:30:05,375 --> 00:30:07,417 is not obsessive? 612 00:30:07,417 --> 00:30:09,709 Certainly not in this CON, right? 613 00:30:10,876 --> 00:30:14,999 '52 at a distance of 130 miles the quote goes ... 614 00:30:14,999 --> 00:30:17,125 northeast of Washington, D.C., relevant. 615 00:30:17,125 --> 00:30:21,584 In a minute three different Army radar units detected an object at 18,000 feet. 616 00:30:21,584 --> 00:30:22,709 Strong signal. 617 00:30:22,709 --> 00:30:24,083 Not an inversion, not a bogey. 618 00:30:24,083 --> 00:30:26,417 Not a blip that wasn't explained. 619 00:30:26,417 --> 00:30:29,667 Remains stationary on radar for 30 minutes then began to move. 620 00:30:29,667 --> 00:30:31,876 By the time it reached the end of the scopes alluded it was going 621 00:30:31,876 --> 00:30:33,999 a thousand miles an hour. 622 00:30:33,999 --> 00:30:35,209 Our report went all the way to the pentagon and 623 00:30:35,209 --> 00:30:38,167 the order came back if another came in, fire out. 624 00:30:38,918 --> 00:30:42,999 After that first night we loaded our 999 millimeter guns unusual to do 625 00:30:42,999 --> 00:30:45,167 in a populated area. 626 00:30:45,167 --> 00:30:47,999 You don't hear them going off over Nellis right now or 627 00:30:47,999 --> 00:30:49,999 over the strip. 628 00:30:49,999 --> 00:30:55,083 We don't fire those kind of guns over populated areas at nothing. 629 00:30:55,584 --> 00:30:59,709 We scrambled F 94 jet fighters from McGwire Airforce base. 630 00:30:59,709 --> 00:31:00,999 They didn't see them again. 631 00:31:00,999 --> 00:31:01,999 They didn't fire. 632 00:31:01,999 --> 00:31:03,959 But they were ready to engage in combat not 633 00:31:03,959 --> 00:31:07,209 with a fictitious object but with a threatening object 634 00:31:07,209 --> 00:31:09,626 because it invaded the airspace which 635 00:31:09,626 --> 00:31:13,459 the Airforce was commissioned to protect and defend on behalf 636 00:31:13,459 --> 00:31:15,999 of the American people. 637 00:31:15,999 --> 00:31:18,125 And it has a lot of investment in having done so 638 00:31:18,125 --> 00:31:22,083 during World War II to an extraordinary degree. 639 00:31:22,083 --> 00:31:25,292 This was really a threat and challenge to everything. 640 00:31:25,292 --> 00:31:26,292 To group thing. 641 00:31:26,292 --> 00:31:27,292 To ego. 642 00:31:27,292 --> 00:31:28,918 To institutional mentality. 643 00:31:28,918 --> 00:31:31,999 Everything legitimate and maybe not as legitimate as well. 644 00:31:32,083 --> 00:31:35,083 But I said that was June 1952. 645 00:31:35,083 --> 00:31:37,417 In July Washington, D.C. 646 00:31:37,417 --> 00:31:40,083 very famous in the cycle. 647 00:31:40,375 --> 00:31:42,584 Eight days over Washington, D.C. 648 00:31:42,584 --> 00:31:46,459 so many objects appeared so often they were seen by multiple pilots. 649 00:31:46,459 --> 00:31:47,459 They were seen by multiple witnesses 650 00:31:47,459 --> 00:31:50,918 on the ground and tracked by the air traffic control stations 651 00:31:50,918 --> 00:31:53,209 on radar in multiple ways. 652 00:31:53,209 --> 00:31:56,083 So multiple witnesses all correlated to the same points and 653 00:31:56,083 --> 00:31:59,626 the same objects and fighters were scrambled and chased them 654 00:31:59,626 --> 00:32:01,999 and couldn't catch them. 655 00:32:01,999 --> 00:32:04,417 Said one poor guy who was chasing one. 656 00:32:04,417 --> 00:32:06,999 Then instead of fleeing as they do, they just play cat and mouse, 657 00:32:06,999 --> 00:32:09,083 it came back toward him. 658 00:32:09,083 --> 00:32:09,999 When he looked around another was coming 659 00:32:09,999 --> 00:32:11,999 toward him from this side. 660 00:32:11,999 --> 00:32:14,083 When you look at the radar screen that is replicated 661 00:32:14,083 --> 00:32:16,999 by the transmission by the transcript of the conversation 662 00:32:16,999 --> 00:32:20,667 with the air traffic controller, you see his blip here and you see circle 663 00:32:20,667 --> 00:32:22,999 of closing blips around him. 664 00:32:22,999 --> 00:32:26,626 And he said the equivalent of holy smokes. 665 00:32:26,626 --> 00:32:27,626 (Laughter). 666 00:32:29,459 --> 00:32:31,375 How do I get out of here? 667 00:32:31,375 --> 00:32:34,667 Well if there was a they, something heard it too. 668 00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:36,125 Because then the blips parted. 669 00:32:36,125 --> 00:32:38,751 And there were multiple witnesses to this event. 670 00:32:38,751 --> 00:32:40,999 And general Samford said at a press conference 671 00:32:40,999 --> 00:32:45,709 before they decided the whole thing of eight days duration was an inversion, 672 00:32:45,709 --> 00:32:48,999 a weather inversion despite the contrary indications 673 00:32:48,999 --> 00:32:52,167 from meteorologists, he said credible people have seen 674 00:32:52,167 --> 00:32:54,334 incredible things. 675 00:32:54,334 --> 00:32:56,417 It was news still. 676 00:32:56,417 --> 00:32:57,417 '52. 677 00:32:57,417 --> 00:32:59,834 That's the front page of the Washington Post. 678 00:32:59,834 --> 00:33:01,792 Can you imagine that today? 679 00:33:01,792 --> 00:33:05,459 The "Washington Post," the "New York Times" saucer not pilot 680 00:33:05,459 --> 00:33:09,626 speculates, pilot thinks, pilot reveals. 681 00:33:09,626 --> 00:33:10,918 He chased it. 682 00:33:10,918 --> 00:33:13,083 And it flew away so fast he couldn't catch it. 683 00:33:13,083 --> 00:33:14,999 I can show you numerous clippings. 684 00:33:14,999 --> 00:33:18,417 We have literally thousands of clippings that we've painstakingly 685 00:33:18,417 --> 00:33:22,542 gathered from around the country from old periodicals as well 686 00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:25,999 as other archives that in this case there are many 687 00:33:25,999 --> 00:33:27,999 about this week. 688 00:33:27,999 --> 00:33:30,083 New York Times, other papers carried it as news 689 00:33:30,083 --> 00:33:33,918 because an investigation had to be in secret after the chase 690 00:33:33,918 --> 00:33:35,959 over the capital. 691 00:33:35,959 --> 00:33:37,999 So it was news. 692 00:33:38,334 --> 00:33:39,834 It was big news. 693 00:33:39,834 --> 00:33:40,918 That was important. 694 00:33:40,918 --> 00:33:43,334 So they had to do something in response to this. 695 00:33:43,334 --> 00:33:44,999 They created project blue book. 696 00:33:44,999 --> 00:33:46,959 These things were over the capital. 697 00:33:46,959 --> 00:33:48,417 They were over the White House. 698 00:33:48,959 --> 00:33:52,459 They didn't land at the White House, but they were over the White House. 699 00:33:52,542 --> 00:33:54,999 They hired Dr. Alan Hyman of Northwestern University, 700 00:33:54,999 --> 00:33:59,209 a famous astronomer to be the research for project Bluebook. 701 00:33:59,375 --> 00:34:02,167 The CIA got involved and concluded a study listen 702 00:34:02,167 --> 00:34:06,417 to these words carefully because they signify what we document 703 00:34:06,417 --> 00:34:09,999 in greater detail a direction that was subsequently 704 00:34:09,999 --> 00:34:14,876 followed after the Robertson panel met, convened Airforce and CIA people 705 00:34:14,876 --> 00:34:18,709 in 1953 and decided on a plan of response that made sense 706 00:34:18,709 --> 00:34:22,834 to them and it kind of went aligned with this. 707 00:34:22,834 --> 00:34:25,959 Flying saucers are not a threat to national security. 708 00:34:25,959 --> 00:34:27,250 Didn't say they're not real. 709 00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:28,999 They said they're not attacking. 710 00:34:28,999 --> 00:34:29,999 They're not a threat. 711 00:34:29,999 --> 00:34:30,999 They fly around. 712 00:34:30,999 --> 00:34:32,999 What is a threat to national security? 713 00:34:32,999 --> 00:34:35,417 Reports of flying saucers are. 714 00:34:35,667 --> 00:34:39,083 Therefore, military personnel should be trained in proper observation 715 00:34:39,083 --> 00:34:41,125 of flying saucers. 716 00:34:41,125 --> 00:34:43,167 At this point we can speculate and ask the question why should 717 00:34:43,167 --> 00:34:44,999 they be trained? 718 00:34:49,999 --> 00:34:52,999 (Laughter) You are not kidding? 719 00:34:52,999 --> 00:34:53,999 Okay. 720 00:34:53,999 --> 00:34:55,999 You think I was talking fast before? 721 00:34:57,999 --> 00:34:59,083 (Laughter). 722 00:34:59,209 --> 00:35:02,542 Look at them, learn everything you can from them. 723 00:35:02,542 --> 00:35:04,209 Figure out what they are if you can. 724 00:35:04,209 --> 00:35:06,334 Figure out how to reverse engineer them. 725 00:35:06,334 --> 00:35:08,626 Do research and development along the line that's many programs 726 00:35:08,626 --> 00:35:11,876 seem somehow but that's all speculative to have followed 727 00:35:11,876 --> 00:35:15,083 in order to find a way to move like that. 728 00:35:15,959 --> 00:35:19,918 Also at the same time create programs to debunk flying saucers 729 00:35:19,918 --> 00:35:21,999 to the citizenry. 730 00:35:21,999 --> 00:35:24,999 There you have it. 731 00:35:24,999 --> 00:35:26,209 There you have it. 732 00:35:26,292 --> 00:35:29,709 Alan said it's characterized by a constant flow of reports. 733 00:35:29,709 --> 00:35:30,709 This is later. 734 00:35:30,709 --> 00:35:32,792 I'm jumping ahead as I need to now. 735 00:35:33,083 --> 00:35:35,584 These are from highly responsible people. 736 00:35:35,584 --> 00:35:37,959 Either something strange is going around or I'm going have 737 00:35:37,959 --> 00:35:40,459 to call all these people liars. 738 00:35:40,501 --> 00:35:42,459 If there are independent witnesses you have quite 739 00:35:42,459 --> 00:35:45,459 a job proving they're all hallucinating. 740 00:35:45,459 --> 00:35:47,125 He began a skeptic. 741 00:35:47,125 --> 00:35:50,918 As reports came in and as he did on the ground investigations 742 00:35:50,918 --> 00:35:54,459 in detail like with Father McGill in Papua New Guinea 743 00:35:54,459 --> 00:35:58,999 an extraordinary case or Lenny Somaro in New Mexico. 744 00:35:59,751 --> 00:36:02,584 He came increasingly to be convinced exactly what 745 00:36:02,584 --> 00:36:04,292 he says here. 746 00:36:04,292 --> 00:36:05,834 These people are not lying. 747 00:36:05,834 --> 00:36:06,834 They're not crazy. 748 00:36:06,876 --> 00:36:10,834 Something's going on, and it's global 150 countries. 749 00:36:11,125 --> 00:36:17,999 It is reports in the same level of detail, the same idiosyncratic detail. 750 00:36:17,999 --> 00:36:20,999 Same granular detail from all over the world. 751 00:36:20,999 --> 00:36:21,751 As a friend of mine at NSA who wrote 752 00:36:21,751 --> 00:36:24,292 a paper disseminated through the agency said what's funny 753 00:36:24,292 --> 00:36:26,999 in America is not funny everywhere. 754 00:36:26,999 --> 00:36:29,417 What's funny for one year isn't funny for 50. 755 00:36:29,417 --> 00:36:32,999 And they agree in the small details from all over the world. 756 00:36:33,334 --> 00:36:35,999 So 20 years later when he became disgusted 757 00:36:35,999 --> 00:36:39,250 with the realization that project Blue Book was 758 00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:44,167 a public relations effort designed to placate and cover whatever was 759 00:36:44,167 --> 00:36:49,167 really happening, in other words with the least untruthful things one 760 00:36:49,167 --> 00:36:52,999 could say while still lying in public. 761 00:36:53,083 --> 00:36:57,167 Because that's simply the nature of cover and deception. 762 00:36:57,167 --> 00:36:59,959 I'm not saying something controversial there. 763 00:36:59,959 --> 00:37:00,999 That's how it's done. 764 00:37:00,999 --> 00:37:02,125 It's not a conspiracy. 765 00:37:02,125 --> 00:37:03,459 It's policy. 766 00:37:03,667 --> 00:37:05,876 And the people who form the policy, yes they meet in rooms, 767 00:37:05,876 --> 00:37:07,959 but it doesn't mean I am a conspiracy theorist 768 00:37:07,959 --> 00:37:09,999 or they're conspirators. 769 00:37:09,999 --> 00:37:11,792 It is the nature of the national securely state 770 00:37:11,792 --> 00:37:15,334 with the degree of secrecy and the high degree of classification 771 00:37:15,334 --> 00:37:19,459 and the necessity therefore when something is believed that it should be 772 00:37:19,459 --> 00:37:22,751 covered appropriately and a lot of people think they made 773 00:37:22,751 --> 00:37:26,999 the right decisions to decide this in light of national security concerns, 774 00:37:26,999 --> 00:37:29,999 then you do say the least untruthful thing you can say 775 00:37:29,999 --> 00:37:33,876 in public while still maintaining the cover story. 776 00:37:33,999 --> 00:37:36,999 But this is what it does to the public. 777 00:37:36,999 --> 00:37:39,999 And that's why people are so disoriented by the revelations 778 00:37:39,999 --> 00:37:43,999 about what we are doing at a government level. 779 00:37:43,999 --> 00:37:46,667 The public he said was placed in the role of the enemy. 780 00:37:46,667 --> 00:37:49,834 Against counter espionage tactics must be employed. 781 00:37:49,834 --> 00:37:52,667 From my experience I felt those in charge considered people reported 782 00:37:52,667 --> 00:37:55,751 or took a serious interest in UFO's and just wanted to know 783 00:37:55,751 --> 00:37:58,999 about them like shmucks like me, what's going on on the planet, 784 00:37:58,999 --> 00:38:00,999 they were enemies. 785 00:38:00,999 --> 00:38:03,542 Just as today it is difficult distinguish them 786 00:38:03,542 --> 00:38:05,999 from whistle blowers from terrorists 787 00:38:05,999 --> 00:38:08,999 from religion zealots from concerned citizens 788 00:38:08,999 --> 00:38:11,083 from journalists. 789 00:38:11,250 --> 00:38:13,751 They all behave the same way. 790 00:38:13,751 --> 00:38:16,334 It's allegiance, perceived allegiance that determines 791 00:38:16,334 --> 00:38:19,292 whether or not they're an enemy. 792 00:38:19,667 --> 00:38:22,501 A hacker is simply a hacker. 793 00:38:22,542 --> 00:38:24,999 I've defined it correctly I think. 794 00:38:24,999 --> 00:38:30,167 A Black Hat hacker is a hacker who knows when to lie. 795 00:38:30,834 --> 00:38:33,999 A gray Hat hacker is a hacker who knows 796 00:38:33,999 --> 00:38:38,501 whether it's appropriate to fudge the truth. 797 00:38:38,501 --> 00:38:40,959 A WhiteHat hacker is a hacker who put the truth 798 00:38:40,959 --> 00:38:45,083 down somewhere and can't remember where he left it. 799 00:38:45,083 --> 00:38:46,083 Just what it is. 800 00:38:46,083 --> 00:38:47,584 So what is a UFO? 801 00:38:47,667 --> 00:38:49,417 Have to do this quick. 802 00:38:49,417 --> 00:38:51,083 Herman on Bert, van Braun who I mentioned 803 00:38:51,083 --> 00:38:53,999 for this reason his mentor in rocketry looked 804 00:38:53,999 --> 00:38:57,375 at he says not three or four but 50 radar measurements 805 00:38:57,375 --> 00:39:00,083 from Airforce and Navy jets. 806 00:39:00,083 --> 00:39:04,999 These are notes from a lecture he gave in Germany. 807 00:39:05,125 --> 00:39:07,292 They can't all be so inaccurate. 808 00:39:07,292 --> 00:39:10,375 What was he talking about that he said was legitimate? 809 00:39:10,375 --> 00:39:11,876 He was speaking of extraordinary speeds 810 00:39:11,876 --> 00:39:13,626 and maneuvers. 811 00:39:13,709 --> 00:39:17,167 If you ask what those were he said they fly in this way. 812 00:39:17,167 --> 00:39:18,999 You can look at the details later. 813 00:39:18,999 --> 00:39:20,959 In sunlight which is brighter than the objects themselves 814 00:39:20,959 --> 00:39:22,999 they glitter like metal. 815 00:39:22,999 --> 00:39:25,083 They're dark orange and cherry red at night. 816 00:39:25,083 --> 00:39:27,083 If they don't need much power when suspended, hovering, 817 00:39:27,083 --> 00:39:29,250 they don't shine much. 818 00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:31,999 But if they start really moving shining brightens. 819 00:39:31,999 --> 00:39:34,292 They turn yellow, yellow green like a copper flame and a state 820 00:39:34,292 --> 00:39:36,709 of high speed acceleration. 821 00:39:36,999 --> 00:39:39,626 Is that arcane or mysterious? 822 00:39:39,626 --> 00:39:41,459 No according to Paul hill. 823 00:39:41,709 --> 00:39:44,375 He was at NASA many decades. 824 00:39:44,375 --> 00:39:47,250 He was fascinated by UFO's having had his own sightings. 825 00:39:47,250 --> 00:39:48,584 He was allowed to collect whatever data 826 00:39:48,584 --> 00:39:51,501 and information he could undercover. 827 00:39:51,501 --> 00:39:53,999 Because NASA's official position is we don't investigate them and 828 00:39:53,999 --> 00:39:55,792 they don't exist. 829 00:39:56,083 --> 00:39:58,999 But he was allowed to do that and his book was published 830 00:39:58,999 --> 00:40:02,334 by his daughter posthumously as unconventional fly objects 831 00:40:02,334 --> 00:40:05,709 a scientific analysis which he spells outs best he could 832 00:40:05,709 --> 00:40:09,000 with his limited ability but supreme knowledge the physics 833 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,709 of what had been observed by him and others. 834 00:40:12,999 --> 00:40:14,125 Five minutes? 835 00:40:14,125 --> 00:40:15,125 Okay. 836 00:40:15,209 --> 00:40:17,709 In the chapter on illumination he creates it 837 00:40:17,709 --> 00:40:21,751 with the corresponding colors exactly as Oberth has described 838 00:40:21,751 --> 00:40:24,792 and many people have described. 839 00:40:25,167 --> 00:40:29,999 They come from radiation generated by the (inaudible). 840 00:40:31,999 --> 00:40:33,501 Then blue. 841 00:40:33,501 --> 00:40:34,501 Blue and white. 842 00:40:34,501 --> 00:40:35,501 White and blue. 843 00:40:35,751 --> 00:40:38,042 A strong radiation peak, et cetera, et cetera. 844 00:40:38,042 --> 00:40:39,250 In other words, people are corroborating 845 00:40:39,250 --> 00:40:41,834 and correlating data and they are making sense 846 00:40:41,834 --> 00:40:43,792 of the same thing. 847 00:40:43,999 --> 00:40:46,375 During the 1950s, project blue book always explained 848 00:40:46,375 --> 00:40:49,834 away everything except those it couldn't. 849 00:40:49,999 --> 00:40:52,459 Then those were listed as unexplained and treated separately 850 00:40:52,459 --> 00:40:54,667 as if they didn't count. 851 00:40:54,667 --> 00:40:57,083 The Airforce has a wonderful manual that it issued 852 00:40:57,083 --> 00:41:02,709 in 1970s to the Airforce cadets at the United States Airforce academy. 853 00:41:02,709 --> 00:41:04,167 It had one chapter on UFO's. 854 00:41:04,167 --> 00:41:07,792 Half was cases of unexplained unidentified objects. 855 00:41:07,792 --> 00:41:10,584 And they made the statement in the discussion section. 856 00:41:10,584 --> 00:41:11,751 And I'm paraphrasing. 857 00:41:11,999 --> 00:41:14,999 The uncorrelated data strongly suggest we are being visited by three 858 00:41:14,999 --> 00:41:17,083 or four civilizations. 859 00:41:17,999 --> 00:41:20,999 Left that in. 860 00:41:20,999 --> 00:41:23,375 Then when people got wind of this chapter somebody was realized 861 00:41:23,375 --> 00:41:25,709 to have made a mistake. 862 00:41:25,709 --> 00:41:26,959 The book was retracted. 863 00:41:26,959 --> 00:41:27,959 All were pulled. 864 00:41:27,959 --> 00:41:29,209 A new addition was issued. 865 00:41:29,209 --> 00:41:30,999 The last chapter was rewritten. 866 00:41:30,999 --> 00:41:32,667 All the cases were removed and the statement was made there's nothing 867 00:41:32,667 --> 00:41:33,959 to it. 868 00:41:33,999 --> 00:41:35,459 We think it's interesting for cadets to consider anomalies 869 00:41:35,459 --> 00:41:37,876 because it challenged their thinking. 870 00:41:38,083 --> 00:41:42,542 But they said three to four civilizations are likely visiting 871 00:41:42,542 --> 00:41:44,999 based on reports. 872 00:41:44,999 --> 00:41:47,918 But there are other cases like the RB 47 bomber. 873 00:41:48,083 --> 00:41:51,125 Numerous events in the 70s. 874 00:41:51,125 --> 00:41:53,584 A wave prompted a need to have it done scientifically and 875 00:41:53,584 --> 00:41:58,250 the Airforce was sick of this because it couldn't deal with it. 876 00:41:58,250 --> 00:42:01,375 They appointed the committee at the University of Colorado. 877 00:42:02,083 --> 00:42:06,083 One of the best chapters in this book is the detailed work Mike the experts 878 00:42:06,083 --> 00:42:09,459 on the committee has done to show the politics how that reached 879 00:42:09,459 --> 00:42:11,292 this conclusion. 880 00:42:11,292 --> 00:42:13,459 They have to jump ahead to the conclusion. 881 00:42:13,459 --> 00:42:17,751 1500 page work including numerous cases unexplained and unidentified. 882 00:42:17,834 --> 00:42:19,834 Then one chapter, the only chapter Condon wrote 883 00:42:19,834 --> 00:42:23,250 without consulting his own 1500 pages of work by his committee and 884 00:42:23,250 --> 00:42:25,918 without doing any field investigation, in which 885 00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:28,501 he concluded there was nothing to it and no reason 886 00:42:28,501 --> 00:42:31,501 to be investigating them any further. 887 00:42:31,501 --> 00:42:32,834 And the Airforce as intended breathed a sigh 888 00:42:32,834 --> 00:42:36,250 of relief and said we're out of the business of UFO's. 889 00:42:36,542 --> 00:42:38,584 They're not going to investigate anything anymore U. 890 00:42:38,584 --> 00:42:42,167 Will get a boiler plate letter if you report something. 891 00:42:42,167 --> 00:42:43,999 We don't do this call your police. 892 00:42:43,999 --> 00:42:45,709 However Barry Greenwood using FOIA found 893 00:42:45,709 --> 00:42:48,501 out they were very much interested in what was going 894 00:42:48,501 --> 00:42:51,375 on across the northern tier of the country in the 70s 895 00:42:51,375 --> 00:42:54,292 like the Airforce base which is on the web (inaudible) 896 00:42:54,292 --> 00:42:57,792 in Minneapolis has done an incredible presentation documenting 897 00:42:57,792 --> 00:43:01,375 and detailing what happened at the Airforce base. 898 00:43:01,375 --> 00:43:02,334 They said nothing happened but freedom 899 00:43:02,334 --> 00:43:05,083 of information act got 24 documents describing indeed 900 00:43:05,083 --> 00:43:07,083 something happened. 901 00:43:07,083 --> 00:43:09,250 Across the whole northern tier all the way 902 00:43:09,250 --> 00:43:12,999 to Montana remarkable events took place. 903 00:43:12,999 --> 00:43:14,834 Which which I encourage you to do your own thinking 904 00:43:14,834 --> 00:43:18,999 and do your own research and find out what was going on. 905 00:43:18,999 --> 00:43:21,876 Because the manner of dealing with it was to debunk, 906 00:43:21,876 --> 00:43:24,334 to ridicule and demean. 907 00:43:24,334 --> 00:43:25,751 How did they do it? 908 00:43:25,751 --> 00:43:26,999 How do they do it? 909 00:43:27,667 --> 00:43:31,250 A friend of mine at NSA teaches deception. 910 00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:33,375 Three legs to the stool. 911 00:43:33,375 --> 00:43:36,834 Illusions, create illusion that's people believe are real. 912 00:43:36,999 --> 00:43:39,876 And reinforce them through media, amplification. 913 00:43:40,334 --> 00:43:42,292 Create distractions. 914 00:43:42,375 --> 00:43:43,999 Misdirection. 915 00:43:43,999 --> 00:43:44,999 Like a magician. 916 00:43:44,999 --> 00:43:49,125 If somebody sees something, it's there, but just make them look over here. 917 00:43:49,334 --> 00:43:52,167 Friend of mine who I met here works at NSA as contract employee looks 918 00:43:52,167 --> 00:43:54,709 for correlation between scandals among celebrities 919 00:43:54,709 --> 00:43:58,626 and important events that needed to be hidden in newspapers. 920 00:43:58,626 --> 00:44:01,083 He found a better than chance correlation. 921 00:44:01,375 --> 00:44:03,083 It troubled him. 922 00:44:03,083 --> 00:44:05,999 Why was Paris Hilton let out of jail early? 923 00:44:06,501 --> 00:44:09,999 Then he looked and found something about Iraq on Page 22. 924 00:44:10,292 --> 00:44:11,959 Paris Hilton was the headline. 925 00:44:11,959 --> 00:44:13,667 It's not that simple and that easy. 926 00:44:13,709 --> 00:44:18,417 But the media is complicit at best or worst cooperative at best, 927 00:44:18,417 --> 00:44:22,584 complicit at worst in amplifying whatever it needs 928 00:44:22,584 --> 00:44:25,751 to amplify according to the people who 929 00:44:25,751 --> 00:44:27,834 feed stories. 930 00:44:27,834 --> 00:44:29,083 That's a whole other talk that I'd love to do sometime 931 00:44:29,083 --> 00:44:32,375 on how we appointed ourselves the ministry of culture. 932 00:44:32,375 --> 00:44:33,375 The CIA did. 933 00:44:33,375 --> 00:44:34,834 In the 50s and 60s. 934 00:44:34,834 --> 00:44:36,584 And what they did around he world with the wholesale creation 935 00:44:36,584 --> 00:44:39,209 of newspapers, magazines and periodicals. 936 00:44:42,083 --> 00:44:43,999 In order to make (inaudible) then repeated 937 00:44:43,999 --> 00:44:47,417 by other magazines which they also influenced or owned. 938 00:44:47,834 --> 00:44:49,999 Things are not what they seem. 939 00:44:49,999 --> 00:44:51,751 They really are not what they seem. 940 00:44:51,751 --> 00:44:53,292 And that too is documented. 941 00:44:53,292 --> 00:44:54,542 Other cases continued. 942 00:44:54,542 --> 00:44:55,999 I refer to you the Tehran case. 943 00:44:55,999 --> 00:44:57,959 We have a document from the intelligence action describing 944 00:44:57,959 --> 00:44:59,501 the dog fight. 945 00:44:59,501 --> 00:45:01,292 It is fascinating reading. 946 00:45:01,292 --> 00:45:04,918 The big Alaska airship is also fascinating. 947 00:45:04,918 --> 00:45:07,876 You are about to tell me I'm almost done. 948 00:45:08,375 --> 00:45:10,292 (Laughter). 949 00:45:10,292 --> 00:45:11,292 Okay. 950 00:45:11,417 --> 00:45:13,334 It's recommended for university libraries 951 00:45:13,334 --> 00:45:15,999 because it's an exception. 952 00:45:15,999 --> 00:45:18,792 A thousand citations, 600 pages. 953 00:45:18,792 --> 00:45:20,999 The history of the government's response. 954 00:45:20,999 --> 00:45:23,334 We don't say anything about aliens or origins. 955 00:45:23,334 --> 00:45:25,751 But we do think you are smart. 956 00:45:25,751 --> 00:45:28,501 And if you see the nose of a camel inside your tent, 957 00:45:28,501 --> 00:45:33,083 guess what might be attached to it outside the tent? 958 00:45:33,209 --> 00:45:39,876 Read this book and other credible work which is referred to on my website. 959 00:45:39,876 --> 00:45:42,542 If you are interested in seeing the book or purchasing one, come 960 00:45:42,542 --> 00:45:45,083 to the book signing over in the book vendor space 961 00:45:45,083 --> 00:45:47,125 at Break Point Books. 962 00:45:47,375 --> 00:45:49,417 And take a look at the book. 963 00:45:49,417 --> 00:45:54,501 And we're not doing Q & A rooms anymore but I have business cards. 964 00:45:54,501 --> 00:45:55,584 Anyone wants to contact me and talk 965 00:45:55,584 --> 00:45:59,083 about this or other things I have done or said for 18 years which 966 00:45:59,083 --> 00:46:01,250 is a lot take a book. 967 00:46:01,334 --> 00:46:02,959 Website is Thiemeworks.com. 968 00:46:02,999 --> 00:46:04,999 Contact me. 969 00:46:04,999 --> 00:46:06,417 I belong to you. 970 00:46:06,417 --> 00:46:08,125 My life is a open book. 971 00:46:08,125 --> 00:46:09,125 Kind of. 972 00:46:09,125 --> 00:46:13,542 And I'll be glad to talk about this or any of the other relevant details. 973 00:46:13,542 --> 00:46:14,542 Thank you.