00:00:00.133,00:00:02.736 [laughing]>>So I guess you're all here to see how to make your own Defcon black badge, right? 00:00:02.736,00:00:07.741 So yeah, you got do it yourself, otherwise it's not gonna happen. Um, we're gonna blow by the 00:00:12.713,00:00:18.886 agenda, because we have so many slides and one hour. Um I'm going to introduce us, um we are 00:00:18.886,00:00:24.625 DC503 from and Portland, Oregon. That's Jessie, Jessie raise your hand, he is the human computer. 00:00:24.625,00:00:29.630 Kenny, he really is good at pick and place. Mike, senior troubleshooter, trouble cau- 00:00:32.032,00:00:37.037 maker, maker, trouble maker, sorry. Makers Mark is really good. And you should introduce 00:00:39.206,00:00:44.211 everyone else. [laughing] >>Alright, this is Mickey. Mickey is Israeli but he's 00:00:48.549,00:00:55.322 actually the least Israeli person I know. And, um, this is Joe, Joe used to work for Intel, 00:00:55.322,00:01:00.260 but he reformed now. And then there's Dean, raise your hand Dean, Dean is the bricker of all 00:01:00.260,00:01:05.265 things, don't let him touch your stuff. >>I'll be, I'll be doing most of the talking. Um, Mike's 00:01:09.469,00:01:14.474 his first time speaking at Defcon, so let's have him a good welcome here, um, so [applause] 00:01:16.777,00:01:21.782 thank you, thank you. Anyone here's there first Defcon, raise your hand. Holy shit, okay 00:01:29.823,00:01:34.261 [laughter in the background] never mind, er, there is a tradition in Defcon for years 00:01:34.261,00:01:40.233 that if it's your first time speaking at Defcon, the goons come by, they give you a shot of 00:01:40.233,00:01:46.173 Jack Daniels and you take a shot, but unfortunately this year you cannot do that, the 00:01:46.173,00:01:51.178 goons have been barred from it. We have our own, so Mike, your first Defcon talk. [applause]. 00:02:01.421,00:02:06.426 For the record, this booze has been bought in this hotel. [laughter] Okay, hold on. You 00:02:08.628,00:02:13.633 have animated gifs and stuff. >>So, why why make a black badge anyway, right? Like, what's the 00:02:18.538,00:02:25.278 point? You spend a lot of money, countless hours, for what? For the LOLs, right? We did it, we 00:02:25.278,00:02:30.283 wanna do it. I guess you all, sta, sto-stood in lines, right? We don't wanna stand in lines, 00:02:32.986,00:02:37.991 no one likes lines. Plus "Lost" said it was impossible, and we kinda like to prove the opposite 00:02:40.460,00:02:45.465 of people and we wanted to do it anyway, it's a nice challenge. So this talk is going to be 00:02:48.468,00:02:54.241 divided into three parts because we did three badges. We did, er, Defcon 22, and then we did a 00:02:54.241,00:02:59.246 Defcon 14, and then the 23 was, er, the last one. And it's going to be weird because, 22, 14, 23, 00:03:01.948,00:03:08.789 bear with us. Um how this all started is an interesting story. We just ended up at Defcon, 00:03:08.789,00:03:13.794 ended after Defcon 22, we come home and we open, er, whatever open source schematics released 00:03:16.596,00:03:21.601 from, um, from "Lost" and it's amazing. It's the human badge and we saw the Uber badge and 00:03:24.504,00:03:29.509 they're almost identical. We're like: "Holy shit, we can do this, we can make a copy. What 00:03:31.611,00:03:36.616 do we need?" So we downloaded all the files, played around with it, and we kinda know 00:03:39.686,00:03:46.626 Eagle, if you don't know what Eagle is, you're lucky. And plus we know "Lost", we love him, 00:03:46.626,00:03:51.631 he's a great a guy and we wanted to surprise him with one of, your know, our, er, donation to 00:03:53.733,00:03:58.738 his work. That's the page links and forums where it's er located at. >>So, er, yeah. I've been 00:04:07.414,00:04:11.651 using Eagle for like fifteen years, um which is the only reason I don't use kicad because 00:04:11.651,00:04:16.990 there's like a learning curve, and so, er, "Lost" represented the badge users DipTrace which 00:04:16.990,00:04:23.330 is a software program that makes stuff and er, like hey it has an export to Eagle function, I know 00:04:23.330,00:04:27.768 Eagle, that's a lot whole easier than using like a software I don't know. Has anyone here ever 00:04:27.768,00:04:34.141 designed a PCV before? If you can imagine a paint program that doesn't do what you tell it to 00:04:34.141,00:04:38.278 do, that would be fucking frustrating, wouldn't it be? That's what EDA tool, board 00:04:38.278,00:04:44.451 design tools are like. Um, so ja, I know like Eagle, we can export to Eagle, we'll go that 00:04:44.451,00:04:48.822 path, we can try that and yeah, it was just a mess, so we went back and then Mickey had tried 00:04:48.822,00:04:53.360 to-to open up this program DipTrace, which is a Windows software >>I think we tried 00:04:53.360,00:04:59.566 on-on OSX, Windows and Linux >>Yeah, and I argued to run it against linux running under 00:04:59.566,00:05:03.703 wine, so I ran the Windows version on linux, and it worked! [laughter]. So, er whatever, um 00:05:03.703,00:05:06.907 so we had that software and basically we, we took it, it's the same schematic, it's the 00:05:06.907,00:05:12.445 same layout and everything, what we had to add to it was all, the bits and pieces, the er... 00:05:12.445,00:05:16.883 >>What, what.. >> C' mon you guys, you're further away. Um, I've already spilled once today, 00:05:16.883,00:05:22.689 er, DipTrace, yeah, DipTrace is an interesting set of software, so basically we, we, we changed 00:05:22.689,00:05:26.259 the outline of the badge. The circuit was the same, we had to add a bunch of artwork to it. 00:05:26.259,00:05:30.397 And I think in the next slide >>the next slide, yeah >>You're gonna have >>what you see >>Some 00:05:30.397,00:05:35.402 kind of... >>What you see here, that is um, days to weeks of Googling. Yeah, so, you, we 00:05:38.405,00:05:43.076 have, by the way that's a public picture of the black badges, so everything we went on was erm, 00:05:43.076,00:05:48.882 was a public pic -picture of the black badge. For the 22 we did, we have, we had no access to a 00:05:48.882,00:05:52.752 real one, >>So what's really cool when you look at these badges and you see all those 00:05:52.752,00:05:56.256 pins on either side? Those are point one inch headers, so if you're trying to scale 00:05:56.256,00:06:00.393 something, you can use those points as like really good indicators to what size is. So 00:06:00.393,00:06:04.965 basically taking that we could take this photograph angle, we could orientate it properly, we 00:06:04.965,00:06:08.668 could actually get like millimetre precision to where every single silk screen and 00:06:08.668,00:06:13.340 every single like metal area on that board was. Yeah, and Mickey did all the artwork stuff, and 00:06:13.340,00:06:18.245 he sits there in MS paint pushing buttons, so. >>[laughs] paint dot net. >>paint dot net, 00:06:18.245,00:06:23.583 whatever >>open source >>Windows something >>Er, it's a really cool tool to use, I, we were 00:06:23.583,00:06:29.723 sitting in the 503 hacking space that control H1 in Portland and Joe has this technique of of 00:06:29.723,00:06:34.661 measuring on screen, he takes like a piece of paper and he puts it on the monitor and he 00:06:34.661,00:06:39.666 measures it and he does this and that's the spot t needs to go >>I'm no the only one, I swear 00:06:39.666,00:06:45.739 >>He swears it's legit, I don't know. Anyway, so we had this picture, it's public. >>Where 00:06:45.739,00:06:50.744 the hell do I get that Uber font? Open Google, free fonts, open 1001 free fonts er, show me 00:06:56.049,00:07:02.656 er hundred results at a time and I type in I wanna see how you show "uber" in that front. And 00:07:02.656,00:07:08.194 you go page by page until, I find something similar and I found the exact font for that. 00:07:08.194,00:07:11.798 >>Actually, I wrote, I wrote an AI image recognition program that found the font. Searched 00:07:11.798,00:07:15.302 them all automatically. I just didn't want to tell you. [laughs] >>I hate you Joe. >>You 00:07:15.302,00:07:19.606 know that's a joke because I haven't even... >>I haven't even gotten the Korean yet [laughs]. 00:07:19.606,00:07:25.812 Um, the next up is the skull, so I've been, I spent like two months looking for that skull, I 00:07:25.812,00:07:31.184 took a picture of it with my phone, as, with my camera, as high res as I can, cropped it 00:07:31.184,00:07:36.890 out, do reverse image search, nothing helped. Then I thought, hmm, it's a PCB, maybe it's 00:07:36.890,00:07:41.261 inversed, so I inverted the colours and I found the image and it's the skull and bones on 00:07:41.261,00:07:48.068 the blood. I actually had to literally Google: skull and bones image search, and page by 00:07:48.068,00:07:53.073 page until I found that alien skull and continue from there. The Korean is interesting. I, 00:07:56.609,00:08:01.548 er, kinda hate "Lost" for that. Because in Korean, when you type a letter, it's weird, because 00:08:04.951,00:08:10.357 you type another letter and it changes the word, I don't know, it's like that little tiny man 00:08:10.357,00:08:15.362 dancing at the top there? The top right, the the one legged man, the one legged devil, 00:08:17.464,00:08:23.303 that's like four characters together and if you type the wrong one it has, er he has two 00:08:23.303,00:08:28.875 two legs and then he has one arm and – it took me hours to figure out the right combination for 00:08:28.875,00:08:33.346 that >>I thought those were a bunch of [inaudible]sisters, I couldn't figure them out >>For 00:08:33.346,00:08:38.351 the 23 it was easier, I just asked a friend to ask his Korean friend to tell us what says. I 00:08:38.351,00:08:44.791 should have done that to begin with. And we ended up with this, so this is the gerber for the, 00:08:44.791,00:08:50.163 the Defcon 22 black badge. >>So have any of you made a board before? You have the schematic, 00:08:50.163,00:08:54.367 the schematic is all the circuits and where, what connects to what. The layout is 00:08:54.367,00:08:58.905 where you go and place the components in relation to each other and you know, place the 00:08:58.905,00:09:02.308 routes where everything goes. But still, that's not like the file format that the board 00:09:02.308,00:09:06.613 designer, board manufacturer's gonna want, they want a gerber which is kinda like a cat 00:09:06.613,00:09:12.652 organising format. It's all text. But figuring out how to extract gerbers from DipTrace is 00:09:12.652,00:09:17.190 pretty interesting because they have like a 101 options. Basically, it, I can't remember, 00:09:17.190,00:09:20.760 this is the one that they want you to like use their service to buy, order boards? >>Yeah, you 00:09:20.760,00:09:24.597 want gerbers ... >>So, >>...to pay us money >>Yeah gerbers pay us money, yeah you just check 00:09:24.597,00:09:28.268 the right boxes, um, you can actually get gerbers out of them, and you have to check the 00:09:28.268,00:09:33.273 right boxes over and over again, and do it a hundred times and, or write a script to do it, you 00:09:33.273,00:09:38.978 know, if you don't like doing stuff manually. >>And after we have the schematic, we have, 00:09:38.978,00:09:43.917 well the layout, we have the silk screens that go on the badge. We need to figure out the 00:09:43.917,00:09:50.290 parts. So, comes the part of the bomb where we er, laid it on Dean. [laughing] We have a 00:09:50.290,00:09:55.295 picture of of the the speaker badge we had from 22, because we gave a talk at 22, and we put 00:09:57.430,00:10:04.204 numbers on each component on a high res picture, send it to Dean and said:" Dean, figure 00:10:04.204,00:10:10.043 this shit out." >>So, let's see if this microphone works, okay we're good. Er, so I'm not good 00:10:10.043,00:10:16.049 with Korean, or Eagle so this is what I got stuck with doing. Um, they put a bunch of numbers on 00:10:16.049,00:10:22.622 the board, and then we had the bill of materials which they call bombs, which is scary, um, 00:10:22.622,00:10:28.294 that like, we had the bomb from the parralax website, and we didn't necessarily know, where 00:10:28.294,00:10:33.299 all the components went, and so I went through and where all the orange dots are, er, I verified 00:10:35.468,00:10:39.138 with a multimeter that this actual component that we think it is, cause, like a bunch of 00:10:39.138,00:10:43.610 like different resistors have different resistances, that are like just kind of ...what? 00:10:45.745,00:10:51.751 [audience calls out] Okay. Is this better? [audience responds] Yay, >>Move forward >>okay, I 00:10:51.751,00:10:56.256 pulled this thing as far as...okay, we're good. >>I was talking to them, Dean. Swallow 00:10:56.256,00:11:03.196 the mic >>Yeah, we're good >>Um, [laughs] damnit, um yeah so, there's all these orange dots 00:11:03.196,00:11:06.766 everywhere, so I spent a long time like going through with the multimeter and making sure that 00:11:06.766,00:11:13.273 each component was the component that I thought it was from the list of components that exists. 00:11:13.273,00:11:16.876 Er, just so that we knew that, you know, the right thing was in the right places and there were 00:11:16.876,00:11:21.681 some differences like, um the colors of some of the black badge LEDs are different from 00:11:21.681,00:11:26.686 the colors of the er human PCVs that we had. Um, er, there are strange differences like, even 00:11:29.455,00:11:35.695 like what kind of version of resistors do you need in situations and whatever, yeah, 00:11:35.695,00:11:40.333 so, it was fun and exciting and I did stuff with electricity and probably broke some stuff, but 00:11:40.333,00:11:44.938 >>Sorry, I promised Case I'd call him up for a shot on stage >>Yay >>Take it, take it, take 00:11:44.938,00:11:49.943 it [laughter][applause] Sorry for that interruption. Here you go Casey. Okay, you're done. 00:11:59.719,00:12:05.224 >>So, er, after we did all that stuff we had a lot of parts it came to order the boards and 00:12:05.224,00:12:08.194 there's a lot of variables that you can get when you order boards, and there's a lot of 00:12:08.194,00:12:11.297 places where you can order them from and some of them are expensive and some of them are 00:12:11.297,00:12:15.034 cheap. If you actually want something specific, it's expensive, it's really 00:12:15.034,00:12:20.206 expensive. But if you're kinda like, er, you have low standards, like me, it's really 00:12:20.206,00:12:24.110 easy. You just find the cheapest place, that ships these boards from China and um and so there's 00:12:24.110,00:12:29.582 this place I've used regularly and um, and they always ship pretty quickly when I get bulk 00:12:29.582,00:12:34.187 orders and they had just right finish so the right color of black and the shininess of the 00:12:34.187,00:12:36.322 black, so we decided to go with them. And we ordered a first run of the boards and what you see 00:12:36.322,00:12:38.858 there is the first run, and we looked at it and there's a couple things you might notice, 00:12:38.858,00:12:40.860 um if you're Mickey and you're really really erm, erm very um, attention, attentive to detail 00:12:40.860,00:12:47.667 or something like that um so you see that there's like that the headers are pins on each side? 00:12:47.667,00:12:52.672 The left and right on the front of the badge, there's a little white outline around them and 00:12:58.144,00:13:02.548 you'll notice, it's just a tiny bit too low, right? And you'll get the Korean text at the very 00:13:02.548,00:13:06.286 bottom and it touches all the way to the bottom of the badge, which wasn't the case with the 00:13:06.286,00:13:10.056 original badge. The other thing is the spacing of the numbers on the back were little bit off. 00:13:10.056,00:13:15.161 Um, has anyone seen any other differences they might notice? Did anyone notice the dick-butt 00:13:15.161,00:13:20.600 underneath the chip? Yeah, so if ever, ever not really sure whether it's legit or not, just 00:13:20.600,00:13:25.605 take off the CPU and if there's a dick butt there, it's real and if it's not, then it's fake. 00:13:27.674,00:13:32.679 [laughter] okay? And actually there's something I wanted to say, I don't usually say this in 00:13:32.679,00:13:37.684 talks, but cyber, cyber, cyber, cyber ... >>Take a shot >> ...threat. Threat threat 00:13:47.193,00:13:52.198 threat.threat, okay. [laughter] thank you [audience responds, laughter] >>Oh, the lot number, 00:13:54.801,00:13:59.605 Joe >>you want more? >>You forgot the lot number. >>Oh yeah there's a lot number, on top 00:13:59.605,00:14:04.877 left >>top left >>See on Uber there's a lot number, so you know, cheap places, they don't 00:14:04.877,00:14:08.781 speak much English, but they assemble boards quickly so they usually don't worry, er, so we 00:14:08.781,00:14:13.786 got a second run, and we fixed all those things. The hard part is like, does that mean we have 00:14:15.955,00:14:20.293 to move our silk screen up a little but or is it tolerance of the ones we made? I think we 00:14:20.293,00:14:24.864 moved it up half the difference? >>And it's also the the the thickness of the boards they 00:14:24.864,00:14:30.103 use. Remember the first batch we got was thinner... >>Oh yeha >>really thin >>We forgot, we 00:14:30.103,00:14:35.007 used a non standard thickness, >>Yeah they were like >>Sorry, I don't remember >>that's what we 00:14:35.007,00:14:38.845 got >>then we chose a thicker one and it was better, er, um hey whatever >>yeah, whatever 00:14:38.845,00:14:42.849 floats your boat >>So what we did, I also, I also asked them, and this was tough, with the 00:14:42.849,00:14:46.719 language barrier, but they managed to to put the lot code on the back, so when they do 00:14:46.719,00:14:52.024 these boards, we're not ordering er 20 000 boards like "Lost" does, we're ordering few. Number 00:14:52.024,00:14:57.430 to not be disclosed. And er [laughter] special requests don't er come out well so they 00:14:57.430,00:15:00.366 put these on a panel with a whole bunch of other people that are making their own fake black 00:15:00.366,00:15:04.637 badges, and we don't want that panel so we put a little box on the back. You see on the left 00:15:04.637,00:15:09.275 side there's a little white box, inside that, we, I asked him like eight times to put the lot 00:15:09.275,00:15:13.713 code in there, and he'd say: "oh yes, oh yes" and then I'd ask him again, he said "sure" and 00:15:13.713,00:15:18.151 then they finally did it, which was great, so whatever. Um, so actually it's concealed by the 00:15:18.151,00:15:21.320 battery. So the other thing if you like ever want to find out if it's real or not, look 00:15:21.320,00:15:25.391 underneath the battery, and look for that lot code, and yeah, if it's under there, then it's 00:15:25.391,00:15:32.231 real. >>So now, we have we have the boards, we have silk skin, everything is ready. Now the 00:15:32.231,00:15:35.668 next stage is manufacturing, so these are 0402s, right? >>0603s >>0603s, not that terrible. 0603 00:15:35.668,00:15:37.670 means point six of them, no 6mm by 3mm. point zero six inches by point zero three inches, sorry I 00:15:37.670,00:15:44.143 don't do [inaudible]units >>so these are actually kinda big, er if you do a whole lot of service 00:15:44.143,00:15:49.148 network, then this is a very convenient size. I can talk into the mic even more...hello 00:15:59.358,00:16:05.998 >>Thank you Kenny >>How's this workin' for you? Yeah, is this good? Ahh yeah >>Deeper? >>no, 00:16:05.998,00:16:11.003 okay. I don't know if my voice goes much deeper. So as I was saying, these are the big ones, 00:16:13.873,00:16:18.211 these these resistors here 0603s, they're actually a very convenient size if you're making 00:16:18.211,00:16:22.949 a small project by hand, work with those 0603s they're pretty great. Er, these are very 00:16:22.949,00:16:29.255 carefully organised, that is not my work. I, I'm usually very fast and just like throw the 00:16:29.255,00:16:34.994 things on the boards, but it's kinda hassle to pull all the parts out of the bags and put 00:16:34.994,00:16:39.565 them on the board, so having a helper is fantastic, and I was lucky enough to have Jessie as 00:16:39.565,00:16:44.904 my helper who is amazing, meticulous and a machine. And he aligned all of these resistors 00:16:44.904,00:16:49.609 for me so I could more rapidly place them on the board, so that was fantastic. >>So Jessie was 00:16:49.609,00:16:54.614 the pick and Kenny was the place? >>Er, so here we have an uber badge actually there're 00:16:56.716,00:17:01.587 five of them barely visible inside the toaster oven, er, this is actually a reflow of 00:17:01.587,00:17:08.561 them that I had access to at the lab and er the process here is fairly simple. The idea is erm, 00:17:08.561,00:17:13.566 we use some lasers, we use some caustic chemicals, not nearly as caustic as yellow cake, but hey, 00:17:15.568,00:17:21.540 we have our own fun, so first pass is to take some of those gerbers that have what's called 00:17:21.540,00:17:26.546 a um, a a stencil, er, or a solder piece mask. And build a stencil, and the stencil is, we 00:17:30.883,00:17:35.855 were just using parchment paper, laser cut with a pretty standard laser cutter that you'll find at 00:17:35.855,00:17:42.061 a lot of hacker spaces, and er lay that over each badge and just sorta squeegee on solder 00:17:42.061,00:17:46.098 paste and then you have the solder paste in all the right places and just lay the parts on 00:17:46.098,00:17:49.468 top of it. Pretty easy and straight forward. >>You know if you need to you can also use one 00:17:49.468,00:17:53.873 of those laminated paper human badges, you know as a stencil, if you wanna use for it >>Yeah, 00:17:53.873,00:17:57.543 what else you gonna do with it, I think, well, get into some talks I guess. Yeah, so, it's 00:17:57.543,00:18:02.048 kinda a time consuming process. You put this solder paste on and you put a whole bunch of parts 00:18:02.048,00:18:06.986 on, and then throw it in the oven, and then it pops out and it's ready to go. Solder on a 00:18:06.986,00:18:10.323 few more components later, like the er battery holder, because you can't do that in the oven, 00:18:10.323,00:18:15.628 and er power it on and see what's broken. Usually when you take it out of the oven there 00:18:15.628,00:18:20.232 are going to be some problems you have to fix, a few stutter bridges on the, you know, finer 00:18:20.232,00:18:25.137 pins spacing parts and just go back to it with some soldering wick and give it a little bit of 00:18:25.137,00:18:31.510 flux and it's, em, not too bad. So, this is something that I do for, a si, a side gig, er, I 00:18:31.510,00:18:36.882 just build tiny stuff, I also unbuild tiny stuff so, if you have a sniper rifle and you want 00:18:36.882,00:18:43.155 to get it the flash off it, let me know, er, that's one of the things I do. Er, but don't be 00:18:43.155,00:18:48.494 afraid of this, surface mount soldering for a lot people seems really like challenging like, a 00:18:48.494,00:18:53.899 lot to learn and "oh man my hands aren't steady enough" I hear it so often, "oh gosh I'm 00:18:53.899,00:18:58.671 terrible at soldering," from people at other hacker spaces, but it's really not too bad if 00:18:58.671,00:19:02.808 you take some time to figure out the techniques. There are a few things that will help a lot, 00:19:02.808,00:19:07.013 mostly figuring out how to stabilize your hands. If you're just holding your arm out, it's 00:19:07.013,00:19:11.217 not going to be very stable. If you rest your wrists on the table, it will be a lot more 00:19:11.217,00:19:17.289 stable. Simple tricks like that go a long way. Try it out, start with a simple project like a 00:19:17.289,00:19:22.294 goon badge. It only has a few parts on it, it's really easy. >>Right. And er once we had the 00:19:24.463,00:19:29.468 badge by the way, this is it, it's er a working. This is a fake one, it works, it blinks. 00:19:32.605,00:19:37.043 Um, we did flash it with the human badge firmware because we didn't have the Uber badge 00:19:37.043,00:19:39.245 firmware or any other firmware. But, er, it's passable right? Okay. >>So we got the badges and 00:19:39.245,00:19:44.250 we get to Defcon and we're like, "What do we do with this?" >>But did it work? >>And Mike..hmm? 00:19:48.254,00:19:59.231 >>Did it work? >>It worked, yeah [laughs] [laughing] >>We got through erm, black badge 00:19:59.231,00:20:04.236 registration, registration, sorry, anyway so um a few days go by inside of into Defcon and 00:20:06.672,00:20:11.677 you know there's the EFF badge contest and Mike is like texting me Saturday noon, and it's like 00:20:14.313,00:20:19.952 4AM for like a Defcon attendant, right? There is a badge contest happening right now, get your 00:20:19.952,00:20:24.957 ass over here [laughter]. I run over there and and we won it. We won the badge hacking contest 00:20:27.660,00:20:32.665 for the for the black badge. Um and here's a couple of cool shots. This is a real one next 00:20:35.000,00:20:40.005 to a fake one. So anyone want to guess which one is the real one? Yell it. [audience responds] 00:20:44.643,00:20:51.283 Left is the real one? If you think the left one is the real one, raise your hand. If you 00:20:51.283,00:20:56.288 think the right one is the real one, raise your hand. The right one is the real one. [chuckles]. 00:21:01.527,00:21:07.933 We have a small, a short video of them working side by side. We had um, participated in that 00:21:07.933,00:21:12.705 contest that had a Defcon 22 black badge, he ran to his room, brought it back and we, 00:21:12.705,00:21:17.710 er...wanna play it? And we had them side by side. What you will see is the Ube badge 00:21:22.581,00:21:27.586 communicating with supposedly human badge firmware. Through IR. It works. [applause]. That 00:21:39.498,00:21:46.005 is the closest we get to a demo at this talk [laughter]. Now, why did we do the Defcon 14 00:21:46.005,00:21:49.441 badge to begin with is an interesting story. You might've noticed that Mike hasn't said 00:21:49.441,00:21:54.480 anything. Well, because we were all doing the 22 and Mike as like, "I want in, I want in!" 00:21:54.480,00:21:58.551 and we were like, er, um, you know what? Everyone's doing something and everyone's 00:21:58.551,00:22:05.124 covering practically everything, so um we need you to do something, to do like, 00:22:05.124,00:22:09.895 contribute. "Let's do another badge!" >>We done with everything on time we need like 00:22:09.895,00:22:14.767 a last minute project, so maybe you can start with that [laughter] >>This is a whole 00:22:14.767,00:22:20.639 story by itself, it's gonna be hilarious. So me and Mike worked on the 14. By the way this is 00:22:20.639,00:22:25.644 the only picture I found online from Defcon 14. >>How many hours did you look for that...on 00:22:28.013,00:22:34.887 Google? >>I am the Google image master [laughter] >>Master what? [more laughter] >>So why do the 00:22:34.887,00:22:40.025 14 anyway, right? Because we we, Joe Grant, he's from Portalnd, we love 'em, if you ever met Joe 00:22:40.025,00:22:45.965 Grant he, you know, he is the sweetest person. Ever. And we wanted to surprise him and it 00:22:45.965,00:22:52.938 was...when we showed this to him it was hilarious. He he freaked out, "you did this is Eagle?" 00:22:52.938,00:22:57.810 [laughter] and yeah, that was really impressive. We thought this would be the easiest badge 00:22:57.810,00:23:02.748 to make. Not quite. >>If easiest match makes, then Mike found the hardest way to make it. 00:23:05.751,00:23:11.757 [laughter] >>Yeah, so the Defcon14 black badge was the human badge in black. >>So, that 00:23:11.757,00:23:15.961 seems pretty easy, right? >>Eat it, eat it, eat the mic [laughter] >>Just spray paint 00:23:15.961,00:23:20.966 right? Er, so that seems pretty easy right? You just like, you know, make another one, just 00:23:20.966,00:23:25.971 like that but black. Right? This is easy. Um, you know, maybe it wasn't exactly so easy. Um, 00:23:30.743,00:23:35.748 unlike the 22 they didn't just publish you anything really. You had to find like a 14 badge, 00:23:38.684,00:23:43.689 fortunately we had someone who had a 14 black badge and we had a human badge >>From Dean, Dean 00:23:47.326,00:23:51.363 has a human badge, Jessie actually has.. >>Jessie has one too >>Jessie has two legit black 00:23:51.363,00:23:57.303 badges [laughter] by the way. Two, two legit ones. I don't know how many unlegit ones...but 00:23:57.303,00:24:02.341 two legit ones. >>Did we mention he's smart? >>Yeah, he's a smart one >>He's smart, Jessie's 00:24:02.341,00:24:07.713 smart. >>Watch out for this guy. >>So yeah you know, we took some measurements and everything is 00:24:07.713,00:24:11.984 on the the like 22, things are like we have the point one inch headers and things lined up 00:24:11.984,00:24:16.989 appropriately and it seems like from photographs you kinda figure out what's going on. 00:24:26.031,00:24:29.234 [muffled speaking] So, you know, it seems like this should be like easy to do, but you know, 00:24:29.234,00:24:32.838 it was a long time ago, and a galaxy far far away and they didn't know about maybe like 00:24:32.838,00:24:35.174 putting things on a grid so er, we worked from photographs. And er, so in order to get to, in 00:24:35.174,00:24:40.179 order to get to the er, to the part where we had it like on a PCV, on, in the EDA on Eagle, um 00:24:55.294,00:25:00.232 we basically took, er, photographs, scaled them. Mickey, like, um some sort of 00:25:03.068,00:25:08.874 obsessed monkey, like traced them in like MS paint 95 or something [laughter] at like 00:25:08.874,00:25:13.879 4000DPI, and um, you know what happens when you put like a 4000DPI bit map into into eagle, 00:25:17.916,00:25:22.921 the world's crappiest but free EDA software? [laughter] it just explodes. So, okay, that wasn't 00:25:25.891,00:25:30.896 gonna work. And it doesn't really support any vector formats, so okay, this is 00:25:33.699,00:25:39.038 obvious what we need to do, we need to take from the photographs, make these high 00:25:39.038,00:25:44.042 resolution bit maps, er, trace those bit maps into a vector format, simplify that vector 00:25:46.178,00:25:51.183 format into a series of polygons and then write a script that makes, er, takes those polygons, 00:25:53.585,00:25:58.791 does er, um does a projection of them so they are in the right place >>This sounds like a 00:25:58.791,00:26:03.729 software solution to a hardware problem, Mike [laughter] >>And then like import 'em into Eagle 00:26:06.799,00:26:13.739 and hope it doesn't explode. And at least one time it did not explode. [laughter] and then 00:26:13.739,00:26:18.811 just go over and trace and trace and trace and trace, and we're like, okay, you know, this is 00:26:18.811,00:26:23.816 going to be easy. Um, and then we discovered a quirk of Eagle, well it's free but, but, um it 00:26:27.586,00:26:33.859 has this weird thing that says like, the free version can't do anything over 80mm by 100mm and 00:26:33.859,00:26:38.864 you know, that's like, and some ula about like you know you sign your life away, and I didn't 00:26:41.200,00:26:46.004 read any of that. And so I just proceeded and it let's you make the board that's this big and 00:26:46.004,00:26:51.009 let's me place the cut outs that's this big, but you know, it turns out, that while it lets 00:26:53.045,00:26:59.551 you place any components over 80mm, and the badge is bigger than 80mm. And um, this wouldn't 00:26:59.551,00:27:04.490 have been too much of a problem, except for this was like this was probably you know, three 00:27:06.959,00:27:12.498 days before con or something [laughter] and we're like oh shit, oh shit, oh shit what are 00:27:12.498,00:27:18.337 we gonna do, what are we gonna do and er, we can't call the cad company and buy a real licence 00:27:18.337,00:27:21.073 because they're asleep and they're in Germany, what are we gonna do? Then we're like, wait 00:27:21.073,00:27:26.078 a minute, you know, you only have to have it within 80mm to place the components so, and all 00:27:28.547,00:27:33.552 the components are within 80 mm, so we can, we can just do that. All we have to do, is redo 00:27:35.721,00:27:41.793 everything we did before in terms of projecting all of the things, placing all the things. 00:27:41.793,00:27:46.798 So that's no problem. Okay so, we got our gerbers in line and we got that all worked out and 00:27:51.803,00:27:55.674 now we just, all we have to do is have it made and assemble it. This is no problem, right? We're 00:27:55.674,00:28:00.712 probably like, you know, two days before con at this point. It's fine. >>It was, it was, er, 00:28:00.712,00:28:07.085 it was a really really, like the week before we were talking about Mike. We need to find 00:28:07.085,00:28:13.592 someone, er, sorry it was a week before and we need to find someone to make these in black, 00:28:13.592,00:28:17.863 and you'd think it would be easy to find someone who makes these these PCVs in black... >>You 00:28:17.863,00:28:24.703 need two things. I need, I need PCVs that are black, now black is not green [laughter] and I 00:28:24.703,00:28:29.708 need it like NOW. [more laughter] and I called every board house that I could in the 00:28:32.578,00:28:37.583 US, like I need unspecified number black PCVs, two cut outs, you know, one ounce [inaudible 00:28:42.921,00:28:48.160 blah blah blah blah blah, black, you know black solder mask. Can you do that? Every single one 00:28:48.160,00:28:53.265 was like: yes, yes we can do that, we'll have that to you tomorrow. Yes, yes we can do 00:28:53.265,00:28:59.438 that, yes we can. And then now you, get a phone call, like okay, here's all my money, 00:28:59.438,00:29:05.744 because, er, if you want boards tomorrow, that's expensive. Okay, here, here's all my money, 00:29:05.744,00:29:10.849 and then they would call me back, after they took my money, about two hours later, when I'm 00:29:10.849,00:29:14.720 hoping to get like, okay, you know you're going to give a message that boards have been 00:29:14.720,00:29:19.725 mad, then they're like: "You, know, what about green?" [laughter]. And er, er the first 00:29:22.094,00:29:27.599 guy, I was like, you know, that-that's that's not okay, give me my money back, by like 00:29:27.599,00:29:33.672 the fifth guy, I'm like, motherfuckers [more laughter] and, er the last guy called back 00:29:33.672,00:29:39.778 and said, "what about green?" and I was about to go on a really, um, long swear word, 00:29:39.778,00:29:44.783 blatant tirade with him, and er he said er, "you know we can do black, but you have to buy the 00:29:46.885,00:29:51.890 whole panel." And I thought, er well okay, that's kinda more than I'm maybe looking for, but, 00:29:57.195,00:30:04.002 okay we can do that. Um, and he said, you know "this, this will this will make it, you know, 00:30:04.002,00:30:08.073 this make it so there's no lot numbers on it, which is funny because we had talked for about 00:30:08.073,00:30:13.078 half an hour earlier about it having no lot numbers. [chuckles] but you know, it 00:30:17.149,00:30:23.522 turned out pretty okay. This is, er, do we have real one? [muffled speaking from the 00:30:23.522,00:30:28.927 panel]. This is the fake one? Yeah this is real. >>Is it a real fake? >>It's a real fake, 00:30:28.927,00:30:33.932 oh I have it backwards, and er Jessie, you have the real Defcon 14 black badge, and you're 00:30:36.401,00:30:42.941 wearing the fake one. [muffled response from the other speaker] Oh, okay cool. Okay, so it looks 00:30:42.941,00:30:48.413 pretty good, you know, it turned out,er, pretty well, you know there's there's the levels of 00:30:48.413,00:30:58.690 er, success like fool a goon, fool DT, er fool Joe Grant. We got pretty good [laughs] and er, 00:30:58.690,00:31:03.628 you know, that's what the final image processing output looked like. And er, when we finally 00:31:07.365,00:31:13.171 had it, you fabricated, but you notice like in the story I didn't tell you about like 00:31:13.171,00:31:19.511 assembling it or anything, that's just get a board in hand, so this is fine, you know it's 00:31:19.511,00:31:26.318 just some soldering we we can do that really quick, um, well you know, we can that really quick 00:31:26.318,00:31:32.090 in our hotel room. So I brought my entire like solder board station to Vegas, and er, the 00:31:32.090,00:31:37.095 night before con, we're like feverishly soldering this stuff in our hotel room. And er, you 00:31:40.465,00:31:46.605 know, I think it worked out pretty okay. And like Mickey said, we said, "oh my god, 00:31:46.605,00:31:51.610 they're having a...it works kind of, okay, er Mickey's reminding me that , it works in the sense 00:31:54.780,00:32:00.619 that. Er, you can er, you can win the badge pageant and you can impress Joe Grant and fool 00:32:00.619,00:32:06.458 DT and fool goons, but like, I don't know what exactly what went wrong at 3am in my hotel 00:32:06.458,00:32:11.463 room, but it didn't actually function [laughs]. But um, >>how many components? >>Hmm? >>How 00:32:14.933,00:32:19.805 many components? >>Oh, oh this is embarrassing >>Isn't that why you brought me up here? To shame 00:32:19.805,00:32:24.810 all of you? >>Well like, you know, less than ten [laughs] >>Erm, so so funny story about 00:32:33.518,00:32:38.523 the bomb for this badge. Er, can you hand me one? This badge has one button in the back of it. 00:32:43.261,00:32:48.266 One. And in our fake badge it's blue. >>You're shitting me, right? 10 minutes? >>They did 00:32:51.102,00:32:57.642 that on purpose. >>10 minutes? It's one thirty, okay hurry the fuck up. Anyway, the button's 00:32:57.642,00:33:01.847 blue, it was ten years ago they stopped making it, if you want to buy the white button, the way 00:33:01.847,00:33:05.884 it's supposed to be you have to pay like twenty bucks a button, and we're like, no. Anyway, 00:33:05.884,00:33:10.889 Defcon 23. We go radio active on this stuff. Okay, why would we do the 23 because "Lost" said it 00:33:13.592,00:33:18.797 was impossible and we already did the PCV, let's do something that's not electronic. It'll be 00:33:18.797,00:33:23.802 fun, why not. It's nuclear. Um, so how'd we do it? We just just, we wanted the triangles. You 00:33:27.305,00:33:33.478 know, "Lost" said, if you don't, if you're unfamiliar with last year's black badge, it is called 00:33:33.478,00:33:39.918 Captured Lightening in a flexi glass triangle, right, that's what Jessie's is holding up. 00:33:39.918,00:33:46.258 Beautiful model who's holding the...er, it's charged with millions of vaults and then some 00:33:46.258,00:33:51.630 guy, I think Brent, Brett, comes and hammers it with a nail and it discharges and it shows 00:33:51.630,00:33:56.635 lightening inside. There's only one guy in the US that does this. In the world that does 00:33:59.204,00:34:05.176 this. He holds the patents and that particular shape and size of triangle is no longer 00:34:05.176,00:34:11.650 manufactured. That's the picture from their website and that is, so the model was 14A and 14, 00:34:11.650,00:34:16.655 this one was the other one they had, was the same size as the black badge, but was an inch 00:34:19.858,00:34:26.031 thick, thick. And you don't want a black badge, it's an inch thick. You give it to someone, 00:34:26.031,00:34:32.203 who, who's , a goon or DT or "Lost", "Lost"'s gonna be like: "what is this shit?" so we have 00:34:32.203,00:34:37.642 to have the original, we need to have the original triangle, anything. So I email the guy, 00:34:37.642,00:34:42.647 okay, we gotta do this, we have to do, we're a bunch of makers from Portland, er we wanna make 00:34:45.116,00:34:51.823 like triangles that light up with LEDs, we're, anyone here seen Portlandia? You gotta email 00:34:51.823,00:34:58.129 him like that, er, we wanna do, I don't know, a fancy >>We gonna put birds on it! We're gonna put 00:34:58.129,00:35:03.068 boards on it, and pour beer, IPAs >>Craft beer >>Craft beer [sniggers] mini brews. Okay, I'm 00:35:05.670,00:35:10.675 hurrying, I'm hurrying. Um, oh where am I? Okay so we really had to have that specific one. 00:35:13.878,00:35:19.884 We had to put in a special order, the minimum order is, er, oh good, "Lost" is on his way. 00:35:19.884,00:35:24.089 Er, we had to put a special order in, so it was like, minimum order is 10, we were 00:35:24.089,00:35:28.727 like, we're not going to be like too suspicious. Give us 12. Because we know we're going to 00:35:28.727,00:35:33.732 fuck up at least one. Um, well, we guessed as much, and, um, we're like yeah, okay when is it 00:35:38.870,00:35:44.376 going to be ready ,and we out the order in at er, September, and he was going to go to the 00:35:44.376,00:35:49.381 super particle accelerator in December , okay, we'll wait five months. Fine, Erm, so an an 00:35:54.552,00:35:59.958 interesting story. During the email conversation , he's like: "you know, this specific model 00:35:59.958,00:36:04.963 you're asking for was er used by this guy at this Defcon conference and they were doing 00:36:06.965,00:36:11.169 this nuclear crazy stuff, like check out this link," I'm like: "Oh wow, that's amazing" 00:36:15.373,00:36:21.913 [laughter]So >>Mickey, was that nuclear? >>Nook, Nuc, nuclear, English not my first language. 00:36:21.913,00:36:29.220 >>Okay, okay, just checking >>I love America. Okay so, I'm going, I'm going. How did we 00:36:29.220,00:36:35.894 deal with radiation? So, Okay, I'm I've never done this before. Ledpig. This is what this is 00:36:35.894,00:36:47.305 called, this thing is like this big and it weighs a ton. Okay, go on Ebay. I need a Led 00:36:47.305,00:36:57.248 radiation container. Got it. I need, um uranium glass dipped marbles [laughter] I won the bid 00:36:57.248,00:37:04.022 on that one. Um, no like what else do I need. I need a Giger counter, okay, "Lost" has a 00:37:04.022,00:37:12.597 Giger counter that cost like a ga-zillion dollars. I'll show you a picture later. And I'm 00:37:12.597,00:37:17.102 like, I'm poor, I'm going to go on Ebay and I'm going to find the cheapest one I can find, and 00:37:17.102,00:37:26.311 so I'm like okay, it has to be Russian [laughter] and because its, Russians are good with 00:37:26.311,00:37:33.585 radiation [laughter] and it has to be cheap. And so I found one for like $60 bucks, and I'm 00:37:33.585,00:37:41.659 like, "Oh my god, it's a steal because this this specific model is like 250 minimum, like the 00:37:41.659,00:37:48.967 whole length of this is a Giger tube. And I go, what's the catch? It has only Russian. The 00:37:48.967,00:37:53.838 interface is only in Russian. I'm like Okay, I looked online, and probably the guy's an idiot 00:37:53.838,00:38:04.716 he can't change the language in the settings, I'll buy it. No. It's it's hardcoded in Russian. 00:38:04.716,00:38:11.756 Good thing I know Russian, kinda. But it's really amazing, when this thing glows red in 00:38:11.756,00:38:20.265 Russian. Like holy shit, um so we got the uranium marble. I'm hurrying, I'm hurrying. We've 00:38:20.265,00:38:28.907 got 5 minutes. You're serious? It's one forty. Um, anyway we got the uranium marbles, we got 00:38:28.907,00:38:42.453 tritium, "Lost" ordered tritium, he got it, oh, here's "Lost"! Hey! [applause] So we have this 00:38:42.453,00:38:49.127 deal. Every year we do the fake badge we give a copy of it to DT, one to DT and one to "Lost". 00:38:49.127,00:38:57.669 And he checks the...this one's for you brother, for you to check the quality and and , he's 00:38:57.669,00:39:03.908 already wearing a competitor's black badge >>So these are both fakes. So I'm going to have a 00:39:03.908,00:39:10.748 battle of the fakes and I'm gonna see who does the best forgery. But his guy is awesome. 00:39:10.748,00:39:16.788 [laughter] >>I've got like five minutes. Okay so, um we got the tritium, so like okay I'm a 00:39:16.788,00:39:24.829 foreign national in the US and I'm faking a nuclear black badge. [laughter] who do I know 00:39:24.829,00:39:32.070 who's a citizen. Dean, you order the yellow cake uranium. >>Yeah, you know what I don't give a 00:39:32.070,00:39:40.278 fuck >>Excatly, these guys do the NSA playset. You're on a list somewhere. >>Has anyone 00:39:40.278,00:39:48.386 been on United nuclear dot com? [laughter] anyone know that website, everyone's a fan. 00:39:48.386,00:39:50.922 [laughter] Has anyone ever bought anything from it? Yeah, they accept paypal and they ship 00:39:50.922,00:39:57.362 really quickly and it's like giant lasers and sorts of crazy crap, but yeah do... >>I have to 00:39:57.362,00:40:00.098 ask, Mickey, did your tritium viles come in packaged in fake coffee packages like mine did? 00:40:00.098,00:40:02.100 >>I,I hoped for it, but er no. [laughter] but had Jessie ordered eight of them >>We, we 00:40:02.100,00:40:04.102 need to compare sources then, because mine came and it was labelled and they had taken 00:40:04.102,00:40:09.107 coffee and opened it up and sealed them inside, and so it looked like I was getting 00:40:17.415,00:40:21.619 filters [laughter] >>We were like, we're not going to order from a Columbian drug lord like 00:40:21.619,00:40:26.624 "Lost" [audience laughs] we are going to, yeah like, Ebay. Tritium vile. I think it's blue. 00:40:30.561,00:40:35.566 Order. Please don't arrest me, please don't arrest me. I send this picture to "Lost" anyway, 00:40:38.436,00:40:43.441 this is the Giger counter, this is one of the PR pictures you have had for your badge. And I 00:40:45.877,00:40:50.882 remember zero point three three eight on the Giger counter for the real Uber badge. And this on 00:40:53.117,00:40:58.122 the fake, the fake badge and the Russian Giger counter. [applause] >>Is that standard or 00:41:04.996,00:41:10.868 metric? >>Yeah, I gotta hurry up, so er, the coin. The coin was the biggest challenge here. 00:41:10.868,00:41:15.873 We had to fake the coin. So um, how do get high res pictures of the front, the back, front, the 00:41:20.078,00:41:25.083 front again. What do we do? Muns. MS paint >>MS paint >>Again. And we get high res, so 00:41:31.189,00:41:37.395 um two things that are distinctly different in this one. The font and the back of 00:41:37.395,00:41:42.400 the coin, where I said "fuck it" I', I've spent months on 22 Uber fonts, I'm not going to do it 00:41:45.937,00:41:52.410 again and the dick-butt at the front. >>Did you actually translate the Korean? Do you 00:41:52.410,00:41:59.150 know it says? >>It is, so, wait for it, we have a slide for that. Funny story about Korean. 00:41:59.150,00:42:04.088 So, we got this thing. Anyone, if you know what Ninegag is, raise your hand. Awesome. So we 00:42:08.659,00:42:13.664 went on Ninegag. Anybody knows what this says in Korean? [audience responds] everyone was 00:42:16.834,00:42:21.839 like, "Oh hey, our supreme leader," and er one guy said, "the taffey salesman does 00:42:24.075,00:42:28.112 whatever the fuck he wants" >>So, it's a Korean proverb, it says, get junk o so mundro which 00:42:28.112,00:42:32.250 means they guy who sells yet can do whatever the fuck he wants. >>Yes, exactly and yet is 00:42:32.250,00:42:37.755 taffey. It's Korean taffey. >>But it's a double entendre because you tell someone to go a 00:42:37.755,00:42:43.227 yet, it's like fuck off. [laughter] >>Exactly, so we try that and I'm like some guy on 00:42:43.227,00:42:47.331 the internet told me this means that, I'm like no. anyone I know, knows anyone who know 00:42:47.331,00:42:52.236 Korean and a co-worker of mine, Toupher, has a friend who speaks Korean, so I'm like Toupher, ask 00:42:52.236,00:42:57.208 your friend, but I'm not going to this thing again where type into word documents in a Korean 00:42:57.208,00:43:03.781 font and I'm trying to guess, which combinations of English letters cause that to look like 00:43:03.781,00:43:10.721 a, look at the top right, the three and the two. Right, what is that? I don't know. I don't 00:43:10.721,00:43:15.726 do Korean, and he he sent me the Korean text in gmail, I was like copy paste, screw it, um, so 00:43:18.896,00:43:23.901 time. Yeah. We're almost done. So how did it end up? We found out a week ago, Jessie sends me 00:43:26.838,00:43:31.843 an email: "there's this guy on Reddit, " are you here by the way? Robert? Come here, come 00:43:35.880,00:43:40.885 here. This guy. [applause]. Comes up on Reddit, says: "I present to you, my Uber badge," 00:43:46.457,00:43:53.297 and he he he made his own. Which is awesome. Kudos. Because wow, I thought it was bigger. This is 00:43:53.297,00:43:55.299 the first time I'm seeing this >>Yeah, so I didn't know anything about the badges >>Come 00:43:55.299,00:43:57.301 here >>I didn't know how big the badge was supposed to be because I only had a picture of some guy 00:43:57.301,00:44:03.140 holding it. So I assumed that guy's finger was as big as mine [laughter] that's why I set the 00:44:03.140,00:44:08.145 CAD scale >>long fingers >>this is the third time people have done forgeries, that they're the 00:44:14.418,00:44:19.423 wrong scale based on pictures like that [laughter] >>But this is really good. The back of it 00:44:22.693,00:44:27.698 is, is carved as well. This is really good. >>And then in the way I did it, the "likenberg" 00:44:30.401,00:44:34.805 figure hacker, however it's pronounced, two quarter inch pieces of acryllic, laser 00:44:34.805,00:44:41.078 engraved it ,painted it, er, put some clear epoxy on it. And then I just smashed it together with 00:44:41.078,00:44:46.551 enough force to about make the croak explode and then I cleaned up the edges. [laughter] 00:44:46.551,00:44:51.556 [applause] >>Awesome job. Go find the back. And while, we're doing the slides because no ever 00:44:57.528,00:45:03.668 has – I know we're outta time. No has ever, no ever has the slides ready. Er, so while we're 00:45:03.668,00:45:08.005 doing the slides Mike comes to me and says, "holy shit, did you see someone else fake the Defcon 00:45:08.005,00:45:13.010 badge?" And I'm like, a third party? Okay and, um... >>Oh and by the way, people always ask me 00:45:15.279,00:45:18.416 if I'm pissed about it, I'm like, Mickey will tell you, I always tell them it's great, 00:45:18.416,00:45:23.688 feakin' keep doin' it man. >>We were scared shitless, the first time we did this. We're like 00:45:23.688,00:45:30.461 either we go out as er as the ones who faked the badges or we get banned for life. >>Nuclear 00:45:30.461,00:45:36.667 badges. C'mon man. >>It turned out well. Er so thank you, Jayger, from the council of 00:45:36.667,00:45:43.574 nine, we we corroborated the information we had was a legit black badge. Um, but we, the 00:45:43.574,00:45:48.112 assumptions at first >>I got one bomb to drop on you >>you got what? >> it's official that no 00:45:48.112,00:45:54.418 one has found one yet or copied it precisely. That only I know about it. >>There's one thing 00:45:54.418,00:45:59.423 missing? >>We'll do it again >>Gotta do it again? Shit. We're not doing it again. [laughter] 00:45:59.423,00:46:01.692 so >>You're gonna do this year's uber, right? You've seen it >>Have you checked it? Have you 00:46:01.692,00:46:07.965 checked ours? >>I have checked yours. >>Did did you say it was impossible to do? >>Yeah, but I 00:46:07.965,00:46:12.603 have to say that, right? [laughter] >>No, okay we gotta >>Security theatre [laughter] 00:46:12.603,00:46:17.608 >>We went last night to a party and er, we had er, the winner of a social engineering black badge 00:46:21.178,00:46:27.885 was there last night and we had the real one versus our fake. And it looked, ours looked , 00:46:27.885,00:46:32.890 looked cleaner. [laughter] I'm sorry. Yeah, so that's it, we're done, this is the last slide, 00:46:41.799,00:46:46.804 this and I have to embarrass Mike, hold on, [applause], we will be taking questions, er, 00:47:00.051,00:47:05.056 >>Just not here >>Not here, no, no, the goons are kicking us out. Thank you. [applause].