>>I am not Jeff Moss [inaudible talking] Just FYI. I am not the dark tangent uh it’s like we get confused all the time. Um, I’m Jayson E. Street but uh, Jeff couldn’t be here because there was way more important things uh, to do, obviously. Uh, [laughter] which is okay [chuckle]. It’s like, we’re cool with that. Um, I’d also like to introduce uh Waz. Uh, The DG uh, [cough] DCG coordinator. Thank you. [applause] Yep. [applause] He’s the supervising adult that makes this uh, work. Um, and then I’m uh, Jayson E. Street. I’m the DCG ambassador. Uh, because I travel all over everywhere uh, so they just thought hey and I like Def Con anyway and I talk about it everywhere so they put me in there as the ambassador. We got Brent White, uh B1TKILL3R. The uh, part of The DCG and also DC 615. >>Yay. [whoops] [applause] >>And we’ve got Grifter from uh, DC 801. >>Wooh! [applause] >>And we got uh, Jun Li from uh, DC 010 from all the way from Beijing China. [applause] Amazing. [applause] And we’ve got Soups uh, he’s uh, an intrical part of a DCG, and he’s also the head of the DC 225 in Baton Rouge uh, Louisiana. [applause] And we have the myth, the legend, Major Malfunction, from [applause] all the way from London England, [applause] DCC uh DC uh 4420. [applause] So, uh so I guess I’m gonna now go look. I’m no longer Jeff over here. I’m now me again. >>Come sit. >> There we go. >>Oh. Hey Jayson. >>So. Hi! >>Nice of you to join us. >>[audible talking] >>So a little bit about uh, things that I do is uh, this is a actual uh picture uh from a Def Con Group meeting. I, last year uh trying to make uh Def Con Groups a little bit more Global. Uh, I took it apon myself to travel uh, even more. Uh, and I went through Asia because there was not that many Def Con Groups in Asia so, I literally started out in Beijing. Uh went to Hong Kong, Shin Jin, Singapore, and Thailand. Uh, talking to uh hackerspaces and makerspaces uh in all those cities trying to get them to start up. Uh, I am happy to say that uh things are actually, Jun Li’s here. It's like we’ve got a Def Con Group now in Beijing uh, Hong Kong, Shin Jin and Singapore. So uh that's really cool. They, they’ve already had meetings, they’re uh doing really good work. Um, and uh so this is the one from Hong Kong. Got started off there and we've also working on getting some Def Con Groups. WE’ve got one started in Garden Route and Johannesburg and South Africa. We’re working on another one in uh Close Napoca Romania and uh we’re trying to make it way more global. And, oh ya. There’s some other pictures of me as I’m traveling. It’s like uh, that's from Singapore. >>The robot Def Con Group right? >>Ya, uh I was trying to uh hey, I do not discriminate. It's like it’s it’s a global inclusive community, robots as well. Cause they're our new overlords. Uh, not everybody appreciated how I did ambassadorship, uh some uh were a little bit more uh uh handsy or less handsy than than I like so but they worked out. Uh, this was a great meeting in Singapore with uh Jeff Moss. That’s actually Jeff Moss, the one in the middle. Uh, and then Deno Desavi uh, at the news hacker space uh, the news uh hacker meeting, which was really cool. And uh, then this is uh Adrian from uh the Garden Route. He started the Garden Route uh Def Con group. So, um I think this um the the State of the Union is really good. We’re getting a lot more global uh [cough] and I mean we got, we’re getting uh, Def Con Group inquiries from uh Columbia, from uh Turkey, it’s uh from Europe, it’s like we’re getting a lot of great um initiatives. It’s like for Def Con Groups coming out and we’re expanding that which I think is very important. Uh, Def Con Groups is not a uh, Western centric or US centric uh organization. It should be you know, everybody. Um, and what we’re doing now and with the new initiative that we’re working on um that I, I literally just said you know, yolo, let’s try to make this happen. So, it’s gonna either be spectacular or fail spectacularly but either way, spectacular. >>Jayson, >>Um, >>can I interrupt you for a second? >>Yes. >>You’re killing the captioner. >>Killing the caption? >>You, you’ve got to slow down. Look at that thing over there. >>Oh. [laughter] I’m talking to fast. [Laughter] Wow. [Laughter] I didn’t know that’s going on. [Laughter] Alright [Laughter] OMG. [Laughter] >>Laughter! [laughter] You guys got in there, you’re on the board! Wooh! [whoops] [yelling] [applause] >>Oh, that’s so cool. [Laughter] >>Okay >>They gotta say everything? Oh sorry. I’m sorry, I’m getting distracted. Okay, >>Squirrel! >>My, [laughs] >>Squirrel! >>Alright. >>I love pizza. Okay um. Okay sorry. Okay. >>Bring it back. >>Okay sorry, socially initiative that we’re going to do is um I was at a uh uh crime conference thing for small businesses that were thrown by um, that was thrown together by Homeland Security in Tennessee. Uh, Memphis. Which is of course where you think of when you think of Homeland Security uh and one of the guys there, one of the feds whose name he does for some reason he doesn’t want me to say what his name is uh here. It’s like uh though everybody would be able to get a free t-shirt. Um, he was very >>It was Jayson Street. >>Ya. He was very interested in uh the initiative that I talked to him about, about having Def Con groups all over the world connect with law enforcement. Cause that seems natural and like, just totally cool right? You know, like chocolate and peanut butter. Um, but the reason why is I want to see the Def Con Groups to connect and get involved with uh uh this initiate contact with law enforcement so the law enforcement can introduce the Def Con Groups to schools. We’re going to create a script that were going to put up on our website, and we're going to put reading materials and documentation for schools on our website for online safety, and what hacking is and what and how to protect yourself online and instead of having police officers and law enforcement people who come over and to talk about the evil hackers that are breaking into your Facebook and your Instagrams, were going to have vetted Def Con Group members come to schools and tell children and students what hacking is, what it’s about, and how to protect themselves. [Coughing] Going to a school, an elementary school, as a hacker in your hoodie going hey I want to talk to your kids about online safety. [Laughter] That’s not gonna work out so well. But if we can actually get law enforcement to actually to you know, serve us a little bit here, it’s like then we can actually use the system to help us further the message and the positivity of what hacking really is. And I want that to be a global thing not just um uh just a US thing. So it’s like we're already talking about it to other uh countries, to other groups, uh to talk to the law enforcements in their country and get an engagement and engage with them. Uh, so you pick like 2 Def Con Group members that uh you know will pass a background check, that or one, if you and if you know the certain groups it’s like you can get one. It’s like you know. >>You can only get one. [laughter] >>Exactly. It’s like so if you can get one, it’s like have them be the the point man and then have that going. So we’re going to start working on that uh, Brent is going to be working with the Fed because he’s in Nashville. um, that’s where he’s stationed out of. And they’re the DC615 in Nashville. So that’s going to be our pilot project but once that gets hammered down, I want this everywhere by the end of the year. It’s like we're hackers are going to schools and telling kids what it’s like and how to protect themselves, and what hacking is. Let’s change the narrative there and then go outward. So, that’s what I’d like to hope we can start. [applause] >>So uh, something I want to add on to that Jayson, so um, my daughters in elementary school. My wife and I went and spoke uh for career day and uh so I talked you know, spoke about hacking and you know what hacking is and then all this stuff and so uh, it I thought it went really well but as we were leaving, the kids were at lunch and I think this, I think this kid was in second or third grade and he goes oh uh you're the one that spoke about hacking? And I was like ya, and he’s like so can you like, teach me how to break into banks where cops don’t see me? And I was like no, wait wait you’ve got this all wrong. [laughter] It’s uh So uh we’ve gotta make sure that those conversations don't come up in this initiative or. >>See, it’s not technically wrong, I mean >>Ya >>it’s what Jayson does. >>Well but, he would no but but but he was like you know where the cops can’t see me and stuff. >>Oh. >>And I was like you need to stop watching so much TV there kid so. >>Right. >>So anyway, >>As long as you have the paperwork you’re good right? >>Ya >>Ya [laughter] >>Alright [laughter] you’re up. >>Hi. Uh, so I’m gonna talk about what Def Con groups are or more like where they came from as well. So, uh, I’m Grifter from DC801. Uh, DC 801 and DC 719 are are or were are the original Def Con groups. Um so, [noise] [laughter] hold on. I want to see if it says like Jayson opening diet Pepsi on the captioner. [Laughter] >>It does now. [laughter] >>what? [laughter] >>It does now. >>Sound of carbonation escaping the bottle. >>Pssssh [laughter] >>Jaysons spewing on the floor. [laughter] >>psssssssss >>We broke him. [laughter] um. Okay, so, so basically they came about cause we um we had a pretty good group of folks out in Salt Lake City which is where DC801 is from. Uh and we were running 2600 SLC. We had I think at the time that we flipped from a 2600 meeting over to the concept of a Def Con group was um about 50 people would show up every month in a food court and kinda descend on it and have a mini con which was really cool. Um, but it basically came about because at the time, 2600 magazine was uh by a lot of people in the group, getting political. LIke it was actually telling people like oh you should vote like this if you want to support these things and if you’re a hacker you should be voting this way instead of more like uh regardless of what their political views are that’s just not cool. So, um, we said well what can we do where we can still have a good name around it and then have this group thing and so um I talked to DT and said hey, what do you think if we did this? And he was like that sounds awesome, talk to Russ. And Russ is, he was in DC719 um, so I called up Russ and we kind of worked things out over the course of a about a month or two and then we launched our meetings and we had them. We started them in February and then we announced them in the summer. The next summer at Def Con. So they had been going on for about 6 months. Uh, they’re awesome. I mean like. >>It was Def Con 12 right? >>Uh, >>Or Def Con 13? >>Ya it was, it was early on. >>It was Def Con 12 or 13. I don’t remember which but it started there. >>For sure. Wait, yes. Because we were still at the AP. >>Yup. >>Ya. Alright. Um, so now Def Con groups are everywhere. They’re all over the world. So, um, if you’re looking to join a group you know check the website, see if you can find one that’s already established and if you don’t see something, please start one. Um, so, how do you start one? >>Wait, wait. >>What? >> Hey Grifter, what’s the website? >>What, what is the website? [Laughter] Isn’t hasn’t it been on every slide? >>Ya. >>Oh alright. [laughter] Dear captioner, please type Def Con groups dot org. [Laughter] >>No. >>D****t [laughter] >>Close enough >>Oh [laughter] >>Close enough >>I’m outta here now. >>OH, that’ll work. >>Look what you did. [Laughter] Look what you did. [laughter] >>WWW dot DEFC [laughs] Oh no. That’s messed up. [Laughter] Now they got it. >>Alright. >>Alright. We’ve gotta stop messing with the caption person. Um, [laughter] So ya so go to the Def Con groups website. Look for um, uh, a group that’s around you, and if there isn’t one start one. And when I say if there isn’t one, that doesn’t mean if there’s one that’s 30 minutes away and that’s too far so you should start another one like, get in the car or on a bus and and head over there. I think that was something uh that started to happen with 2600 meetings as well. Where it was like there was one here and then there was one like 5 blocks over because people didn’t wanna commute so. >>Alright so the next things like um how do you get people to attend? It’s like that I’m given a lot of the questions when people are uh approaching me and I’m talking to them in different areas and uh and in different places and they’re saying like well uh how do I get people to attend? Well well what's really going to be drawn what do I do with it. And the first thing I tell people it’s like you start if you get 2 people at your first Def Con group meeting, awesome. [claps] >>Yes [applause] >>That’s great. That’s a good start. It’s like You know and you just work from there. It doesn’t have to be oh, we didn’t get 20 people showing up. IT’s like uh it’s gotta start organically so it’s like you got people by word of mouth, it’s like you’ve got social media. I know people that are starting uh starting with just facebook pages because they don’t have website yet. Um, so start off by that. Start uh by broadcasting that on Twitter. Um um CC the Def Con groups uh Twitter handle and we will amplify that for you or you know James will amplify that for you and uh it’ll get that word out. So, you can start doing it that way. Just start finding a good location that’s uh central for a lot of people to get to in a nice area where they uh usually have alcohol some for some reason helps. Uh, it’s like it maybe a projector screen you know even better. Um and start if off there. It’s like start getting people to show up by like giving them something to show up too. You can’t just say hey you wanna sit around, get drunk and talk hacking? It’s like Which actually works for a lot of people but you know, uh but you gotta do something like have a talk start a talk somewhere. Uh Get involved. Defc and another thing key thing I want to make sure we understand, Def Con groups does not replace or surplant any other organization that’s going on in that city. IT’s like if you can’t say well I wanna start a Def Con group but you know uh uh there’s also 2600 or a city sec or you know, some other hacking or security related uh group going on too so no I can’t do there. That’s not what it’s about. IT’s like there’s got there’s always room for more people connecting and being together and working to make things happens so uh don’t let that be an excuse, don't’ let that be a reason you’re not starting a Def Con group in your area. >>Ya so >>That was the longest sentence I’ve ever heard. >>You’re welcome >>Ya [Laughs] So one of the >>I I’m going to inter interrupt you know. Some practical advice on finding uh a location. Um, what we found in London there’s a lot of really uh good setups like um nightclubs, and bars, so on that don’t actually open until quite late. So our one of our first locations was um a night club that gets going at midnight and we don't want to to be having uh uh a group meeting starting at midnight so they’ve got space that's all set up with projectors in the bar and lights and space and so on and it’s standing empty um and it’s in cent the center of London so uh we’ve found we could actually get into that space really cheap uh, well free in fact because um, generally you don't get charged to use a bar or a somewhere there that serves food, if you bring enough people in that they actually start you know paying um giving money over the bar or buying food and and and so on, so they didn’t charge you for use of the room and we’re done by 11, 12 so that’s the point where they’re gearing up for their main business. So we’re giving them a use for their empty space uh and and actually we um, that’s how we got started so ya. We we ended up moving to a pub because they were charging us night club prices for drinks even though we weren’t in a nightclub. Well we were in a nightclub but we’re not in a nightclub environment if you know what I mean so. >>It so, some of the things that we did for uh DC615, uh you had mentioned you know, how do you get people to attend? So, one of the things that we did uh we had a really good B sides um conference that goes on uh with Little Loss and then uh we have uh Jeff and some other people that were kind enough to let us you know, do a quick little blurb doing the opening ceremony and they were able to carve out a little room for us to talk to go um people and and tell them about the group. Uh you know websites, social media obviously uh and then you know college campuses if they let you hang up fliers, um, and you know and the and the technology room and areas like that to kind of get the word out. Um, and I’m glad that you mentioned that to about how we're not trying to compete with other meet ups and that’s one of the things uh you know Nashville we have, there’s quite a few uh other meet ups that go on and so before we even started the group we did some research and made sure that we weren’t stepping on anyone's toes, cause that’s the last thing we want is to get you know politics and and um any drama involved in that so uh so we were pretty careful about that. >>I didn't know we weren’t supposed to compete with the other meetings like we have gangland style fights with them. >>Well [Laughter] if that it that’s cool. >>Ya a dance off. >>We want a dance off. >>Well ya ya well dance off. >>Oh ya. >>Break dance fighting. Um, no we do um some similar things you know we have uh a couple of local conferences that take place um in Utah, Saint Con, and Eastside Salt Lake City, and Hack West and so we work with those guys to get the word out at those events. Um to your point, college campuses thats, thats a big one. Um we go and put flyers you know around the CS department you know or up on any boards and stuff that were there as well as um if there are still are any existing book stores in you area [laughter] um we would put flyers like in you know Linux journal or you like, like minded magazines uh and we’d get people from that as well. >>Know what? Let, the frequency of meetings. We forgot to mention the frequencies of meetings. Some people have em for um every month, it’s like once a month. It’s like uh I’ve heard some that's had it like every 2 weeks which is like, I don't know anybody that would want to sit here 2 weeks. Um, but they have those and so some have em like every quarter. So, it depends on what kind of frequency you want to have it, It’s not, there’s no set frequency. [coughing] >>Cuh uz it’s my turn? >>Ya you can go ahead. >>Okay, okay, okay so, I'm going to mil- milk that captioner. I hope everybody here can survive. Uh I’m I”m I come from China I’m un I’m let me sit down kay, I come from china, I started Def Con group Beijing, the Def Con group 0100 and uh we have like a frequently we we meet very frequently we have like over uh 200 people every meeting and uh regarding the frequency of meetings I think uh all all the regarding the competition, I don’t think that you should compete with other conference because we are different, we are unique. Uh, for example I think the Def Con group because uh we are so we are meeting so quite frequently I don’t think this is contest to be enough so ver too advanced too like too complicated to uh to to uh like new to so ya uh I think we were are now having meeting like uh every 3 months and uh uh a small meetings a uh uh maybe per month I think maybe, it just just a few people and also I have the uh chat group to discuss some certain stuff so ya. And uh the different group I think you the countenance need to be busy and the the tech in the audience is different. The tech in the audience for our group I think is more like the college students anduh like the uh amateur practitioners. And uh so it’s different you don't don’t have to compete with uh other conferences and uh regarding the how to get people to come and the I think that as you are organizing this event you have to make this event uh uh meaningful thing with stuff to do. So I found it frustrating when i when uh the attendees is very interesting the lockpicking village because uh we have another version of village so peoples can discuss uh different areas like the cryptography, uh straight printing and other stuff but uh peoples tend to uh go to the uh the uh lock picking village. So I found that's quite quite frustrating because as a hacker you need to know the cryptography, reverse engineering and the environments it creates and that stuff. So I talked is Jayson your uh on the taxi and uh I found out the reason that I felt this is because it’s more like you can touch it you can feel and touch it and see the results instantly so I start to think So I, now the the next meeting I’m planning to do uh uh this. I I build a robot which you can control via a web interface and the it’s a robot is connected to a cloud using uh wifi so you can do wireless, you can do you can do web penetration tests at penetration to control the robot and finally you can play with my cat so [laughter]that this turns the information like uh uh expertise in ex so you can use our expertise to get some like physic feed back so that's how I can get people’s attention and then we made all those swags. Very cool, so they can uh like when you publicize this kind of stuff, they can they want it well they will come so that's the first time to uh shock them and see this. >>To the um the the point about not competing competing with other entities uh, us and uh in the bayou down down in Baton Rouge, we actually work really close with uh the local Maker Group and uh we found that our our disciplines while different like they’re more hands on with electronics and everything, we’re more about the technical software side of things. They mesh well so, we actually share makerspace, we do presentations there with them, um there they bring unique um viewpoints to a lot of the products that we work on and we we bring viewpoints, our unique view points to what they what they’re working on too. So um, and it works out well for us so far. >>So um then I guess uh next for we’ll kind of go down the line and quickly talk about some products that we do I know Jun Li you already kinda mentioned a few which sound very interesting. So I know um just a few that we’ve done in Nashville, um you know as Jun Li mentioned as well, we try to keep things uh you know different levels. People that are just wanting to learn very basic things, all the way to having things more advanced for those who are interested uh, so we try to consider that. So uh something fun that we did, uh we got we all got raspberry pi’s, built a retro pi. Um, and so you can see we kinda took it a few steps further with the wireless controllers and the uh wireless keyboard and things like that. >>That’s hot. >>Ya it’s pretty cool. It’s pretty sexy, huh? [Laughter]Ya, you know. So um so and then, we >>I’m gonna need the plans for that. [Laughter] >>Ya, okay. So, those are actually on our website at DC615 dot org so if you’re interested in that. Um, >>So that’s how you join DC 615. [Laughter] or 201. >>Ya or 201, there ya go. So um and another thing that we, I don’t I don’t have a picture of it but another thing that we did too with the raspberry pi’s, we uh implemented the touch screens and uh taught people how to install the kali linux distro and then uh changed the kernel weren’t where you know where the touch screen would work with that. So that was a little bit more advanced for for uh for them so that was that was fun. Uh heres a, this was one of our very first meetings. Um we also, this is Ski Boy. Uh Ski Boy’s awesome if you ever get a chance to hangout with him, um smart dude. But, this is and so we actually uh in Nashville it’s it’s kinda hard to find places that are, that are open and you don’t have to pay a whole lot of money for so um this I think was at Chris Scott Cyber Assassin. He’s a member of our group. Um he, this was at the clubhouse of the apartments that he was staying at downtown and then uh currently we have uh Dan Augustine who is at another uh very nice place downtown and we’re able to use his clubhouse and uh it’s furnished and you know have they have pool tables and everything too so that’s that works out. Uh One of the things we like to focus on too, if you’re if you’ve never presented before or you have a topic that you are that you are presenting and you want to do a dry run you know we’ll we’ll we’ll go through those things as well. Um our DC615 badge uh, my batteries actually fell out on the way over here so. Uh But yeah the L they LEDS and then we also have it where you can program the Arduino and scroll whatever message you want or you can make them super bright and troll people at parties where they can’t see anymore. >>Not very cool [laughter] >>Jayson >>So ya there’s a picture of that um and then here’s a picture of of a lot of us actually spending time soldering and teaching people how to solder basic electronics and so on, so um. Soups, you up? >>Ya um so this, back to the point about reaching out to kids, we uh we go to the uh maker fair and so this is at the library every year. Um There’s a bunch of different groups from around the area, um and we have a little booth to kind of display our projects that we’ve worked on throughout the year as well as uh just kind of spread the word about what, what we do. Um We do [laughs] we do lockpicking uh a lot and like you were saying it’s ikt kind of helps the whole tactile um aspect of it. Getting people kind of into the scene uh helps out alot. You can go to the next one. Uh ya this contraption. Um, it’s actually a remote controlled Roomba. He hacked it and uses a controller to actually move it around, I think he added a little horn to it as well,. It’s rather cute. Um I’m not entirely sure what he’s doing with the neck and the screen as of yet. He’s still working on it. Uh, he actually had an AK47 attached to it for a little while which is kind of scary. >>It looks like a telepresent. >>Ya. He wanted to put like a a microphone on it so it’s talk out. I don’t know if he’s gonna use a megaphone or what but it’s getting kind of top heavy right now. [Laughs] >>Next, next one? >>Yeah, go ahead. Um We have a really smart kid, his name uh he he goes by he goes by Cryo uh and this was a gameboy that he hacked. He actually, he actually just found a couple of vulnerabilities in some the original Pokemon games uh that he’s utilized to kind of do speedy runs but he at one point hacked a uh little logo on there for us so. Uh were actually als also working on, a couple of years ago we worked with the Cyberpatriot program which is an Air Force initiative to go out to schools and train um high school students for a competition that they end up com competing out throughout the year and um it works. It works really well with with the new initiative that were going on with Def Con groups is. It basically gives us an an avenue to kind of communicate what what security is and and that hackers aren’t all bad so. >>Just mostly >>Most of us. [Inaudible words] Jayson’s kind of shady sometimes. >>Um sorry I don't have pretty pictures cause I'm I’m a busy person and I don’t respond to email. Um, [laughter] the >>That’s true! >>True story. >>IT is true. It’s fair. You gotta, you gotta text me, here’s my number. Um, no. That’s not a that’s not a thing. uh so ya, so projects that we work on um DC 801 um do we do a lot of things. ONe of them probably the flagship project for us is the hackerspace in Salt Lake City which um is called 801 labs. Um WE uh basically do all of our projects out of there. That’s where we have our meetings, so when we have a meeting it’s it’s at a hackerspace, Jayson has has been out there before. Um WE have a lockpick village, and tamper evident room, a hardware hacking room and like all other kinds of dedicated classroom where teach each other different things and were when we do the DC 801 meetings we have like a webcam that we stream everything um to Youtube so when the talks are done for that month they’re immediately available online. >>Did you take that webcam out of the bathroom finally? >>Uh no, that one’s still there. The bathroom webcam will be there forever. [Laughs] That’s, would be silly to remove it. [Laughter] What, what are you saying down there? Just tell us. >>Start the Q and A in 3 minutes. >>Start the Q and A in 3 months. Thanks. >>Uh, it’s my turn? >>Yes. >>Yes it’s your turn. >>Okay uh I’d like to uh share with you my how so what’s we're going to talk about now, should we talk about now. >>What are those nanoparts? >>Uh this this is nano village is way way waY what they did so because uh people's interest are different so I started to like mimic the Def Cons to like to the nano version villages so. I put actually thanks to the support of my team, these are all my team’s gadget. This equipment all come from my team. So the you as you can see later I let all the the this. Yes yes. Actually I I did a talk at uh at a presentation back at our hacking car king because I we have many members in on my team and their are many differences. So those those are the speakers on the the supporters of Um so yo ucan see ma ma many of them come from my team and uh the the places we we meet is in the comp my companies meeting room so thanks for the support of my my supervisor my my- leaders. The the also, the money come from my company. Yes Yes so if you want to find a place you don’t have to lad clap a because the conference room or meeting room in your company most likely is empty so you can use that as well. Uh You can see how many people we have and yes so there more villages and uh we also post a video of the the meetings online so were were we cooperated with this is online education uh website. They were like doing free for us, to record it and publish it for free. It’s Integrity a Tech from from China and uh yes, next one? Malfunction. [inaudible talking] >>Yeah. >>Okay hey um so one of the things we did in the London group uh is try to make sure that it’s not um cliquey and it’s very inclusive to everyone who comes along. So one of the first things we do at every meeting that we’ve done right from the very beginning is everybody in in the room introduces themselves and we get to know each other um obviously if you don’t wanna introduce yourself as your real name or you work for the man or something than you make something up. Um, but that way you know we get people talking and we reintegrate the the black shirt wearing um hackers from the basements through alcohol and cuddles and talking so. Um we concentrate on content so we don’t do projects together, we don’t do building um because we’re in uh [coughing] London and there aren’t any other groups in the UK at the moment uh a lot of people travel from quite far to come to the meeting so we have a couple of talks uh and then you know uh uh basically we have like an hour long serious talk where people are expected to concentrate, and by the time we get to the second talk because we’re in a pub um probably not quite so concentrated and focused so we have like a funny wacky talk usually. something that’s not necessarily specifically technically hacking but something we as a hacking community would find interesting. So we’ve had talks about um you know home home made torches, how to make a really bright torch or how to make uh thermic lance or fireworks or crap like that so things we we’ll find quite fun. Um I think we’re quite keen to get to Q and A so I won’t take up anymore of your time. >>[inaudible talking] >>Waz? Waz is doing something else man he doesn’t care. >>Actually you have a lot more time. >>Oh [laughs] >>Eff [laughter] >>I would like >>NOw he tells us >>I would like, I would like to add one more thing. Uh uh regard uh as Jayson has said that we should go to the remote areas to teach the kids to start uh in the the to know what they they can do, so I’m planning to like bring my Def Con group to the remote areas to teach the kids the basic stuff. How to [inaudible] electronics, how a computer works, [inaudible] I think that would be meaningful if you guys want to do it with me I thinks it will be better so ya. Oh, I named this Def Con hacker tour but Jays, Jeff said that you should add it geroup so I I name it like Def Con group hacker tour. So wha uh actually uh to deal with the government it’s very hard so I got to kind of support of my company’s my colleagues, they are deal they usually they are very good at dealing with them so they uh all uh actually there alrady projects that uh where the anyways for the schools to teach the kids so I would a corporate them to go to the uh remote areas so that was to dealing with the government or the police won’t be a problem for me. >>Very good. Any questions? >>Ask them to come upfront. >>What? Huh? >>Ask [inaudible words] >>Ya. If you, if you have some questions for us, if you could if you could come up here when you ask the question. There’s a purpose for that I I promise it’s not >>Cause we want to put you on the spot so come on up. >>No pies in the face, promise. >>But I wanna I wanna ask a question first. Can you please raise your hand if you’re already currently in a Def Con group? That’s awesome, very cool. >>That’s not enough though. >>How many people want to get into a Def Con group now that they’ve been to this panel? EVen better! Awesome. [coughing] okay Yes. >>So uh I’ve tried to start a Def Con group locally and I’m just waiting, I haven't gotten any response from like my submission and so I’m like scared to move forward with like buying swag and advertising and stuff like that cause I need to ensure I’m not going to like, >>When, when >>You don’t need permission hack the system just do it. >>Exactly. When did you send it out? >>Mid May. >>Oh. [Laughter] Then you should've gotten a response. [Laughter] >>Okay >>You’re in the right spot for an answer for that though now. >>That’s why I’m here. >>There you go. Awesome. >>It went in the black hole. >>Yup. The the man right there next to you, is the guy who to talk to about getting that uh taken care of immediately. >>Thanks. >>Awesome. Yes? >>Hey guys, >>Hey. >>um what do you guys do about uh finances? Do you collect fees or do you take donations >>Oh that’s a great question. >>for that or? >>Um >>I’m not gonna answer it. >>Ya I I can take that one off so um there’s a uh when we first started we had a a company um that was owned by a friend of mine and he actually uh I guess sponsored to some extent and so uh for some groups he would send money and basically buy food like pizza and then beer if we wanted it and then uh when we sort of moved it into a more technical direction, you know for like raspberry pi’s and things so that’s that’s always an option. >>Um, we actually do the opposite. We try and not to get money. We have to refuse it from the the venue um so we’re in the basement of a pub and Tuesday nights were a dead night for them and now we bring over 100 people in once a month and those people drink and eat and the normal um marvel if you’re like a comedy club or something and you're in those venues, you either charge at the door or you take a a percentage of the take at the bar and so when we started bringing in money on the Tuesday night, the the the pub came to us and said okay so um now you’ve reached the level we should give you a percentage and we decided um that it would just complicate things. we would then have this pool of cash that we then have something to do with so unless it was a very clear what do we do with this money, I didn’t want to pollute the the ethic of it being just a free open thing uh with money so we just say no thanks but. >>Thank you. >>Yes >>Actually the the the the money from my Def Con group has come from my company and uh the the the resources I use for example the [inaudible] I use, come from my team. So I convinced my [laughs] leaders to to support me. I don’t think that the uh by like taking money from company can like uh pollute the the the the free environment because uh aztec and steel like corporates other with other companies. I invite them to to join us but uh as long as you can get this down and uh I think it’s it’s it’s good because uh the attendees will if you want to come way there's like no obstacles for them for them to come. I think that’s a good thing. And the company that does till now they didn’t they didn’t require anything from me ha atleast. Yes. >>We did bake sales. >>Oh. [Laughter] >>Alligator muffins. >>Woooh! [Laughter] >>Uh so for meeting twice a month how much work do you think would typically be involved for meeting twice a month for a Def Con group? >>Um I think it depends on how uh for so if I were to meet twice a month uh I would look at all different options. So we have uh we regularly have now that we built the um the retro pi’s we always have like vintage games or lockpicking for people that just want to come and hangout, of we’ll just throw together something uh like an older um older system and some wifi and do some wifi hacking basics or just put planning if you want to do a bigger project I think it just depends on the maybe the technical maturity of the group or the ones that be would be attending on a regular basis so I think that sort of depends on just the the atmosphere and those who attend. >>Uh I did a um uh uh 2 meeting uh 2 month meeting, uh 2 meetings a month uh group and what we did was we had the first meeting of the month was a social meeting. There were no talks on hacking or anything like that it was just people showing up and actually interacting with each other and having to talk and get to know what's going on and just you know shoot the breeze and actually in a nice social setting uh usually at a restaurant or something. Everybody would just get together and socialize and then the second meeting of the month would be the technical meeting where we would actually have projects, we would have someone giving a talk, or it’s like we would all do like a capture the flag. it would be an actual technical meeting so it’s like you have one social and then one technical uh to sort of balance it out. >>Ya. >>So those are two good options. >>I would I would also give the advice that if you are going to do 2 meetings a month that and actually this goes for even if you’re just going to have 1 meeting a month, like uh you can’t rely on just one person to run everything like if you have like 1 person that is the point of contact for the meeting or the group or whatever and and like they have to go on vacation or go on an engagement for work or something like that and it falls apart every time they’re not available um that’s not good for the group. So you have to have at like at least 2 if not more members who are willing to say like yeah we should get some talks together, I’ll talk to so and so, that kind of thing. >>Ya uh something that we to sort of prevent that too is we make sure to let everyone in the group know like hey there’s no like you know one you know single power in this group, like this is a group. So if you have an idea or a project you wanna do just get it ready let us know if we need to get supplies and just bring your idea or if you have a talk just let us know and just bring it. Uh that way it’s not like Grifter said it’s not dependant on one person. >>Uh would it be too hokey to do a quick 30, 45 second picture of our group? >>What, what >>What? >>Def Con 201. >>Where, where is 201? >>North Jersey. >>North Jersey? >>So do it? Okay. Uh ya were Def Con 201 uh in NOrth Jersey about a 7 minute train ride outside of New York City, um sorta similar to some to what some of these guys were saying we are a lucky hybrid mashup of an already existing hacker space, and also the strong infosec community in New York city so we have a hole range of people from Nubes to people who are Def Con OG’s and have spoken several times. We do a lot of 3D printing and ticker typical hackerspace stuff. But we're also trying to set up some CTF servers and we always have uh infosec talks. Um we meet every third Friday and we have pretty consistently for the past 6 months and we just had our first month with a second meeting and it was like you said, uh we redesigned the website. I’m actually trying to get the IT guy, this is admin guy to uh deploy that while uh I’m here now um but if anyone is in the New York City oh we we we get members coming in from very far too even though there’s a robust community there uh all the way from Long Island some people we have one dude who actually comes in from Philly uh if anybody’s in that area, in the New York city or North Jersey area raise your hand or let me know I”ll give you the info. >>Um [inaudible words] >>Now you’re a Def Con speaker. [Laughter] [Applause] >>Congratulations. [Applause] Um, [inaudible word] >>Do you guys have any um tips and suggestions for when you’re in more of a rural area uh we have a very small 2600 group and you’ve mentioned that you kinda split off from 2600 groups but do you also kind of encourage collaboration with or maybe even overlapping with? >>Ya definitely incorp collaboration there like I said there’s no competition and and also the other thing is like one of the things you can do uh if you got uh uh a rural Def Con group is making sure that you're doing uh a chat system. It’s like uh doing a Slack Channel or uh having some kind of interaction on the forums or like facebook profile where you can like take pictures and share message and actually maybe invite speakers to skype in from other locations. It’s like reach out to different speakers and different people and say hey can you skype in and and do a meeting for us? >>Ya and I think also um so if something for for Utah, one of the things that we do because there are so many other organizations, we have like this umbrella organization, we call it Utah Sec so like I am the point of contact through DC801 for Utah Sec and then there’s like infragard and the snort user group and like so every meeting like saint con they all have someone who represents them um and get together and kind of talk about like oh hey you were gonna do a talk this month, this way like the content that gets shared at those meetings normally only once can get spread among a larger group and usually that means some cross pollination as well so if you wanna get additional members I’d encourage like going to some of the other meetings like I Sock or ISSA meetings and things like that that are in the area and then being like we wanna do a Def Con group. >>Well the thing is is our our area is so rural that we don’t have much of a tech field but we we know they’re hiding in the woodworks and we’re trying to drag them out through having a 2600 and or a Def Con group. >>Mmm >>Smoke em out. >>That’s what we’re trying to do. So, ya if you have any tips on on bringing those people out of the woodwork in such a rural area that doesn’t normally have technology in the forefront, that’s very helpful. >>And you don’t always have to do like high like technical things at the gr at the meet up too it could just be like Jayson said the one that they did it it was just hanging out getting to know you know like minded people or even uh you know teaching lockpicking or you know vintage video games or something just to start building that community, and then from there somebody might have an idea or something for a project so. >>That’s great. Thank you very much. >>Sure Thank you. >>And just one quick second I want to remind everybody about the DCG mixer. Come meet the Def Con Groups organizers after their talk on Friday this Def Con groups mixer is for all who were or who want to members of local Def Con groups. Come to get info, meet peers and get some DCG swag they’ll be a limited amount of free beer via kegs courtesy of The Dark Tangent. So that’s what he was doing, he was getting the kegs ready so thank you for that. Where? the Chill Out Lounge Promenade Level. When? 1800 to 20, 100. Friday which is today so. >>Get it while you can. >>Hope to see you there. >>Ya it it’s I think it’s starts like right at 6 o'clock but so >>Don’t tell em that because there’s free beer they’ll leave. >>Ya so from here so come come hangout with us and uh have some free drinks and whatever. >>So yes >>uh Okie dokie so uh mocal Def Con chapter has been around for quite a while but unfortunately activity oin us has been kinda slow because uh our past uh let’s say let’s say uh council has had to take off due to family and other professional or or uh obligations decided to leave and we’re trying to jump start it back up at the moment but I was just kinda curious as to how you would if you got if you all had any uh no not just a panel but anyone else has also had like uh scheduling conflict issues, when you’re trying to get the group but not but not everyone’s able to participate due to like needs being needs that go beyond it. >>JUst you gotta, oh man microphone You just gotta you gotta >>It’s truly important to have a regular um date, you just have to pick one and stick with it. I mean we meet the last Tuesday of the month >>Ya you gotta pick something >>and that’s not right for everyone but nothing’s going to be right for everyone so. >>Exactly. As as long as it’s consistent. If you move it around then you’ll just lose people all the time and then the numbers dwindle. Like just say like okay it’s going to be this day every month and leave it there. >>CAuse people will start planning for it then. So the other thing is make sure you announce. We find um we we like everyone we’re busy, lazy, useless and uh [laughter] if the the months where we announce at least a week in advance, we get a much bigger attendance and there’s even regulars just forget okay always oh it’s that Tuesday again d****t. I would’ve come but I arranged this other thing and did things so um if we had announced a week earlier and reminded them they would've kept the time free um so you know give good information and be consistent. >>Heck yeah thank you very much. [coughing] >>Yes? >>Hi just to comment back on your internet safety uh IAC Squared has a safe and secure online. Uh There’s like 2 tracks for like elementary middle school, there’s also another one for seniors. Vetting you know work with the teachers, and I mean they’ve got a format made where you can take advantage of [inaudible words] >>We wouldn’t mind taking a look at it ya it’s like we don’t want it to be corporate you know because IAC squared but uh we we’d want to do that little hacker edge to it but ya that’s actually a good resource to we’ll steal from I mean borrow I mean uh uh look at. [Laughs] >>We’re not competing. >>Cool. >>Thank you. >>Thank you. >>Thank you. >>So I was wondering when setting woah, when I’m setting up a space for this and working it out, when you get the especially the teenage kids, maybe younger kids, how do you even you know cover yourself if they go do something nefarious? >>Um >>Unfortunately you know I don’t think you can control everybody so >>Just >>No I mean we we don’t >>Just don’t attack any of them and then it’s pretty solid. >>You just always remind em it’s like Law enforcement as is is invited and welcomed to these meetings as anybody else so uh don’t do shady stuff at the meetings. [Laughs] It’s like. >>[inaudible talking] >>But you know if like myself or a few others you know if I’m in charge of it they have a tendency to come after those people if they do something bad so. >>don't have one person in charge. >>Okay >>Yeah >>Okay. >>Yeah >>Thank you >>Hi um I’m pow from uh DC 170 from >>HI Pow! >>Hi! [Laughter] >>We are the I think are the first Def Con group in Spain we are based in Barcelona and one thing we do there's uh every year we host a security conference uh we made it the people uh for our Def Con group and uh I want to officially invite the all all of the other Def Con groups to attend to this conference cause I think it will be a it will be cool like to meet everybody from other Def Con groups and make a community there in Spain. In Spain uh computer security community is just starting so that’s it I I just want to invite you. Uh WE’ll we’l hose a conference in September but we do it every year >>Nice >>and Grifter is coming to speak >>Very cool >>and if you want more information want to join us uh reach me, I will be around uh and just for sake uh we can help the speakers and attendees uh for hosting them and everything. >>Uh I’ve been to Barcelona, it’s beautiful city yeah Good place to go. >>Thank you >>Thank you >>Thank you >>That was it guys uh thank you for sticking out uh hopefully [applause] you go to the mixer and we’ll wait for one per question right here. Yes? [applause] Oops. [laughs] >>Okay >>You snuck up on me. >>Um uh just one question um uh I intend to create a group for a region rather than one country, >>Right. >>So um apparently you use the area code or my country code for this >>Right. >>So how would I do that? >>Uh what’s the region? Uh oh you uh the question was he wants to start a Def Con group for a region so like several countries not just one country. Uh What region is it? >>Uh I was gonna suggest Def Con GCC. Which is Gulf Cooperation Council. >>Okay um that is interesting um the we will have to take that one >>That’s a thinker >>offline and look at it >>That’s a thinker >>because uh I don’t have an answer uh and I’m just gonna hymn and hall a little bit until ya >>Give you a little bit of background um I don't I don’t remember when I started attending this Def Con whether it was the second one or third one, um I stopped in 2011 then I came back now um it’s much better than what uh I was uh expecting. >>Oh very cool. >>Uh uh I’m the ex german of coit IT Society my back on this can be dealt uh so I’ve done a lot but uh why I’m doing for the region because I believe that um not having one group uh is much better than having uh multiple groups. >>Well it it depends it’s like we’ll definitely go offline like cause it’s like it all depends.\ it’s like i would suggest like having it like mult having each one for each country it’s like re and then just having a group meeting in the different regions but we’ll talk about that offline. >>Eventually the entire region will be one. >>Ya okay. Well thank you very much. It's like uh once again guys thanks for sticking it out, really appreciate it [applause] and [applause].